NOTICE: I do not believe in any of these man made Gods. I am agnostic and can not hate God as I do not believe in him. My view of these Scriptures are far more objective than others in that I am NOT threatened with eternal torture by fire if I don’t believe and I am not promised great rewards if I do believe.
This Scriptural Proof is followed by three other posts that expose more truths/facts that religious types would rather you NOT learn. It is only my opinion and I present it as “according to the Bible”.
If we are to believe the Bible is the word of God, we must be honest with ourselves and admit that Scripture doesn’t provide for Free Will. This can be demonstrated both through Scripture and SIMPLE logic.
Free Will: Is defined as - the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one’s own discretion.
Religious types argue they have Free Will given to them by God. I argue the opposite.
Regardless of what the Bible states, IF they believe in God then they have NO Free Will….according to the definition of Free Will. Why? Because it is a NECESSITY they believe and Directly Related to their FATE!! Their FATE DEPENDS on their belief.
If they do not believe, they will be tortured by a loving God for eternity (Christian version). Additionally, if they DO believe, their FATE will involve REWARDS of things like Eternal life and Love.
Imagine telling a child (impressionable mind) that if he/she doesn’t believe in your Version of God he is going to be punished the most horrifying torture if he/she doesn’t believe. Now imaging having this information given to him by those that love him/her the most….MOM and DAD! Now, imagine Mom and Dad taking this child to places where there are many others that tell him the same thing, adults and kids and nice friendly people that enforce the belief. Could this Child use FREE WILL to decide to believe? Absolutely NOT! This Child actually has almost NO choice and in reality is forced to believe in the version of God that is taught to them. The majority of Christians will tell us that their child made a free will choice. That is a LIE and it doesn’t allow for a child to make a free will choice.
Brainwashing is mental abuse. Yes, religious leaders do want to Brainwash your children:
“Those who control what young people are taught, and what they experience — what they see, hear, think, and believe — will determine the future course for the nation.” — James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family …CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE and HONESTY? haha
Brainwashing is NOT FREE WILL!!
Note: I believe we have free will but I don’t believe in God and I don’t believe the Bible is the word of any of the many versions of God. My fate is not tied to believing in a God.
Lets Begin the Scriptural Proof:
“Yet ALL is of God” (II Cor. 5:18) (recently I had someone tell me this is NOT God’s word but the words of Paul. So I guess we are to assume it was also not inspired by God and not true?)
Can we find Free Will in that Scripture? I don’t! ALL….EVERYTHING is OF GOD! Plain and simple!! Notice that many will say I took Scripture out of context.
Does the Scripture say “Yet all is NOT of God” ? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Is the Scripture “Yet ALL is of God” TRUE or FALSE? Unless one wants to DENY the word of God they must admit it is True. Therefore simple logic demonstrates that we can not have Free Will if ALL is of God.
Another Witness?
“Go to now, ye that say, Today or tomorrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor, which appears for a little time, and then vanishes away. For that ye ought to say, if the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that” (James 4:13-15).
Like other Scriptures, apparently the Holy Spirit “inspired” James or others to write these statements.
Another Witness?
“Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heave” (Matt. 6:9-10).
Man’s Will? Nope!
Another Witness?
“For the Scripture says unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised you up, that I might show My powers in you, and that My name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore has He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will Hehardens“ (Vers. 17-18).
Pharaoh did not harden his own heart—God said that He hardened it.
Free Will? NO!
Another Witness?
“You will say then unto me, Why does He [God] yet find fault? For who has resisted His will?” [Greek ..purpose] (Rom. 9:19).
Again, God’s Will!
Another Witness?
This is an amazing Scripture. This Scripture shows the difference in attitude between those who understand God’s plan and will and those who do not.
“For OF Him, and THROUGH Him, and TO Him, are ALL THINGS…” (Rom. 11:36). Where is the free will? Again, some will say it is out of context. Are they then saying that NOT all things are of him, through him and to him? Either it is or it is NOT!
Is the above Scripture True or False? Unless one wants to DENY the word of God, they must admit that yes “For of him…..are ALL THINGS”
Another Witness?
“In Whom [GOD] also we have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED [our ‘destiny’ was ‘pre’ arranged by God] according to the PURPOSE OF HIM Who WORKS ALL THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL” (Eph. 1:11). Again, does their argument of “out of context” apply to this Scripture or is it clear that God works ALL things after his OWN Will? It is rather difficult to have a Free Will when it is all been pre-arranged.
Does he work all things according to his Will? TRUE or FALSE?
Another Witness?
“For OF Him, and THROUGH Him, and TO Him, are ALL THINGS…” (Rom. 11:36).
Again, is this Scripture True or False ”For OF HIM…are all Things..”
Another Witness?
“For by Him [Jesus] were ALL things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible [unseen powers], whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all things were created by Him, and for Him. And He is before all things and by Him all things consist” (Col. 1:16-17).
All Things consist (yes, this includes evil things, this includes faith, and even repenting)
Another Witness?
“To every thing there is a season [appointed time],and a time to every purpose [matter or event] under the heaven” (Ecc. 3:1).
“I know that, whatsoever God does…NOTHING can be put to it, nor ANYTHING taken from it: and GOD does it” (Ecc. 3:14).
“…for He has appointed a time for every matter, and for every work…” (The New Revised Standard Version).
“For He has set a season for every event and for every deed…” (The Concordant Literal Old Testament).
Just how can there be Free Will when this God appointed the exact time for everything to happen? Context? They are not willing to say God DIDN”T appoint a time for every event or every matter but don’t want to admit that he did….even when the word spells it out specifically!
Another Witness?
“Declaring the END from the BEGINNING…” (Isa. 46:10).
Another Witness?
“For in Him we LIVE, and MOVE, and have our BEING…” (Acts 17:28).
Another Witness?
“O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself. It is not in man that walks to direct his steps” (Jer. 10:23). How can one have Free Will when even their own steps are not of themselves? It is impossible!! Simple Logic demonstrates this fact. Context? Either man walks to direct is OWN steps or he doesn’t.
Another Witness?
YOU can NOT say Jesus is Lord, unless God gives you that ability.
“…no man CAN say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.”
Another Witness?
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the FATHER IN ME? The WORDS that I speak unto you I speak NOT OF MYSELF; but the Father that dwells in Me, HE DOES THE WORKS” (John 14:10).
I didn’t catch any Free Will in that statement…did anyone else?
Another Witness?
“For OUT [the Greek is ‘out’ not ‘of’] of Him and THROUGH Him and FOR [Greek is ‘for’ not ‘to’] is ALL” (Rom. 11:36).
Another Witness?
“God is operating ALL in all” (I Cor. 12:6) (operating – to CONTROL the function) Context? Either God is Operating ALL in ALL or he is NOT. The implication of this Scripture are clear. Does God operate all in all? True or False?
If they accept that this Scripture is True then we logically demonstrate that there is again NO Free Will.
Another Witness?
EVEN your FAITH is not of “Yourself” or in other words, you don’t decide to have faith, it is given to you and not of your Free Will:
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that [‘faith’] not of yourselves it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them” (Eph. 2:8-10).
Is the faith of yourself? True or False? This Scripture states that is is NOT of yourself. God’s words, NOT MINE. If you don’t like it, speak to him about it.
Additionally, you can’t even be saved of your own Free Will but instead it is by the GRACE of God.
Another Witness?
“I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of Who loved me, and gave Himself for me” (Gal. 2:20). WOW!
Notice it is not faith IN the Son of God but the exact Faith OF the Son of God…let us make it clear…it is HIS faith, not ours until he Gives it to us. Again, NO Free Will…not even in our faith!
Another Witness?
“…and what have you that you did not RECEIVE….?” (I Cor. 4:7).
Yes, even your faith you have received as this Scripture and the others above appear to confirm. Remember, EVERYTHING according to the WILL of God.
You can’t even repent, if not for God.
“Or despise you the riches of HIS goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God LEADS you to repentance?” (Rom. 2:4).
Your “Free Will” doesn’t lead you to repent..Absolutely NOT….it is the Goodness of God!
Another Witness?
This one is rather clear like the others!
“I am the vine, you are the branches … for without me you can do NOTHING” (John 15:5).
YOU can do NOTHING but for the father. Where do we get Free Will out of that Scripture? Impossible’!
Another Witness?
“Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, what Jesus is about to say is the Gospel I say unto you, THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF…” (John 5:19).
Now this is a Good one. Christians make a claim that although Jesus (The Son of God Himself) can do NOTHING but for the Father, SOMEHOW they have the ability to do what Jesus could not do? WOW! They put themselves ABOVE Jesus Christ Himself when they say they have Free Will but Jesus Didn’t.
Another Witness?
“Then said Pilate unto Him, Speak you not unto me? Know you not that I HAVE POWER to crucify you, and have POWER TO RELEASE YOU? Jesus answered, You could have NO POWER AT ALL against Me, except it were GIVEN YOU from above…” (John 19:10-11).
Seems Jesus made it clear it was Pilate didn’t have Free Will to do as he wanted. But every Christian thinks they have Free Will according to Scripture.
Another Witness?
Has not the Potter [GOD] power over the clay [man], of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” (Rom. 9:20-21).
Does the clay have free will to form itself? Absolutely NOT!
Another Witness?
When God’s time came to release Israel from bondage, we read this:
“And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage. And God heard their groaning, and God remembered His covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them” (Ex. 2:23-25).
And just what “caused” Israel to ”cry unto God?” Their own free will? No. ”Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried…” There is always a cause, but it is never man’s fabled free will.
Just how much of this release from bondage was dependant upon the will of the Children of Israel? And is it by our own will that we also repent and come out of our Egypt of sin and bondage? Or is it all of God?
“Wherefore say unto the children of Israel,
I am the Lord and
I will bring you out from under the burden of the Egyptians, and
I will rid you out of their bondage, and
I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: And
I will take you to Me for a people, and
I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that
I am the Lord your God, which brings you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. And
I will bring you in unto the land, concerning that which
I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, and
I will give it you for an heritage:
I am the Lord” (Ex. 6:6-8).
Eleven times in one sentence, we read God saying that it is “I“ [GOD], and not man’s will that, performs these miracles. When God says that He will cause a dozen national and international interventions of colossal proportions, how are the millions of people involved “free” to do anything but react according to what God causes to come about?
Guess what? Christians will continue to say they have Free Will….Amazing.
Another Witness?
“Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil” (Jer. 13:23).
Another Witness?
“Or despise you the riches of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? (Rom. 2:4).
What leads us to repentance? The goodness of our illusionary God-given “free will?” NO, “…the GOODNESS OF GOD…”
Another Witness?
“Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: FORGOD DID SEND ME BEFORE YOU TO PRESERVE LIFE” (Gen. 45:5).
Who sent him? God…not his own free will.
Remember God said, He Changes NOT! Always the same, today, yesterday and forever!
Another Witness?
“And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants. And Joseph said unto them, Fear not, for am I in the place of God? But as for you, ye thought EVIL AGAINST ME; but GOD MEANT IT UNTO GOOD, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive” (Gen. 50:18-20).
It seems all those things that happened in the lives of many where all part of what God willed. None of them could have done anything other than what God made them do. amazing….Christians still say they have free will?
Another Witness?
“For we are HIS WORKMANSHIP, [this is the cause an force behind the "Christian" walk. ‘His workmanship’ in action, not some presumed freedom of the will in action] created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has BEFORE ORDAINED that we should walk in them” (Eph. 2:10
Let us not forget the great example that Jesus made to show the disciples that they don’t have free will and will do exactly as God planned.
Yes, Jesus told them they would deny him. They were sure they had free will and said, impossible, we would never…NEVER deny you. Jesus,
knowing they didn’t have free will said, Yes, you will deny me. They again thinking it was their choice stated, NO, we will never deny you my lord.
Folks….what happened? They denied him. Just one of many examples of how the bible demonstrates you don’t truly have free will.
If anything in the universe has ever malfunctioned contrary to the intention of the Creator and Designer “God”, then the flaw is in the Inventor, not the invention! GOD IS THE POTTER: WE ARE THE CLAY! According to Scripture!
Clearly God believes he is the potter but Christian think he doesn’t have this power.