Give pastor Robert Morris 10 percent of your money for your own good. Hey Robert Morris, would you like to come to my blog and discuss the scriptures around the tithe? How about you tell your followers to give 10 percent directly to another church of God or will they not be blessed? I have several scriptures to expose your lies. Not only is it obvious that you are taking advantage of your dumb sheep through the use of guilt, fear and promise of reward but you are just out right lying.
Pastor Robert Morris is too afraid to come here and discuss how unscriptural his tithe really is. Aren’t you Robert Morris?
Why are there so many people that are easy to fool with superstition? Why are they so fearful and why do they think they are going to get some magical reward if they do what others tell them. Others in a position of leadership. Get a life, Christians. Stand up and start to question the bull shit.
Posted by Mairin on June 13, 2011 at 10:34 am
Giving money to support the truly poverty stricken, not just lazy, people is a good thing, whether here or abroad. Giving money to help out the aids victims in Africa is a good thing…my Church has groups that do these good services. I have no personal access to these places. When people give money, it is out of kindess. Don’t try and get people to stop giving…there are real people who benefit.
Posted by truelogic on June 13, 2011 at 6:03 pm
I agree and we need christians like you to judge whom are the ones that are lazy and whom are not. the cathoilic church helps to promote aids by teaching those in africa to not use condoms. so they teach them to not use condoms, then being poor, they have kids they can’t feed and then they can’t afford medications to stay alive and thus leave their child homeless or with aids as well. all because ignorant religion likes to tell others how to or not to have sex. the catholic church should pay for all aids medications and food for the children in the communities and parents they teach.
the catholic chuch hasn’t enough common sense to see they are a big part of the problem. maybe they are too busy molesting children and hiding their lead molesters around the world. that takes lots of money to fight such charges. but the catholic church has had LOTS of practice in hiding and molesting.
Posted by Mairin on June 14, 2011 at 9:33 pm
With over a billion Catholics, it is apparent your campaign is failing….more people become Catholic every year.
Condoms are not effectively preventing disease or pregnancy. This is an epic fail. The non-Catholic relief agencies and the governments themselves have been giving out free condoms for decades. The Church doesn’t need to do so.
The superior way, the foolproof way to avoid sexually transmitted disease is to not have sex with a diseased carrier. Fact.
The Church cannot be blamed for causing Aids nor its spread. These people are having sex because they are not listening to the Church’s sage advice. They ARE using condoms, to no avail. The Church is pointing out the obvious. However, most Africans are not Catholic…so the Church’s faithful Africans are monogamous in marriage and thus not spreading the disease to others.
Think through things before you make these silly accusations.
Posted by truelogic on June 15, 2011 at 12:19 pm
read the statistics and stop believing what you tell yourself is true. it is called a delusion….look itup. you live a delusion and need to be medicated. the catholic church has a HISTORY of molesting children, to this VERY DAY. They have a history of homosexual acts and corruption and murder and torture. That is the Catholic church. no group on earth has such a horrible and immoral record and still exists to this day. and you call donate money to them, think they are a moral group and so forth. you are one of the sickest excuses for a human and like your parents a waste of human flesh. but that is just my opinion.
Posted by Reese on July 1, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Whoever wrote this blog sure doesn’t know anything about God
Posted by truelogic on July 3, 2011 at 8:08 pm
which God? let me guess, you have not a single shred of evidence to demonstrate your god less false than any other God? I figured. However, if you can prove your God is any more real than any other God or that any other God is not real, then we are here to listen. I promise you that you have nothing but more superstitious nonsense.
Posted by Reese on July 3, 2011 at 8:37 pm
what do you mean “which God” I’m confused? There is Only One God!!! By the looks of your comments you must know that too because you are capitalizing God. I can’t prove anything but I do know 5 yrs ago I was diagnosed with emphysema which is incurable. There is NO cure for it. But I felt when the power of God came on me and healed my body from emphysema. I am emphysema free today which there is no understanding as to why I do not have it today. Oh but I know why I do not have it. Thank God,mine and your creator!!! He is my Healer!!!He does love you so whatever it is that someone did to you to make you hate Him. The time is getting shorter & when it’s too late,it’s too late my friend. Know that He loves you and He is not against you…The reason you probably wrote this and other blogs is because He is stiring something up in you and you are curious. Deep down inside you know He is real and you do want to follow Him. Not everyone who calls themselves christians are christians. Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the promise lands. We must look to Him not those who give bad example as christians. He loves you and it’s not too late for you. He is not mad at you but please hurry and find the truth before it’s too late. I’m sure you’re a good man,of course if thats what you are,but I can’t prove that either. Know that He loves you,that’s why He gave His son,for you! Have a great night….
Posted by Dave on July 3, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Y’now Reese, the capitalization of ‘god’ or ‘catholic’ on this site is only intended by anyone/everyone, and most specifically it’s host, to lend credence/respect to an argument. That your emphysema was cured whilst millions of innocent children died in Africa would seem to make you a very special person. Are they all fucked because they’ve never heard of your god? What a magnificent, beneficent being he is/you are. You have certainly been created in his image.
If you’re able to tear yourself away from reading the mythology, you might like to pick this up:
http://www.amazon.com/Afterlife-Revealed-Michael-Tymn/dp/1907661905
Read it and please get back to us. It accounts for a Universe far beyond the confines of your pagan god.
Peace.
Posted by truelogic on July 4, 2011 at 1:37 pm
You know exactly what I mean when I state “which God”. Millions of people believe their God is true and some believe their many Gods are real. You have NO proof that your God is any more real than any other. So lets make it clear, you have yet to prove your God is any more real than any other God.
I to was diagnosed with emphysema as was my mother. Guess what? Neither of us have now have this “incurable” sickness. Funny how I clearly state your God and all the other Gods are not real as would my mother and yet we were both healed?
It also amazes me that people like you believe God, the almighty came on you and healed you while he allows millions of children to die for something as simple as lack of clean water, or food, or medical care. Wow, you are so special and yet no one seems to pray for the little dying and suffering children in this world. I guess they just aren’t as special as you.
No, you not proven your God is real and as a matter of fact, I know people that practice buddhism, friends that are muslim and those that believe in Krishna and they would all claim to have the magical proof that you claim. No difference.
Wow, i am so amazed that the most almighty God of all man kind picked you to come on and heal. I wonder why I was magically healed and my mother? Our symptoms all went away, no more need for any drugs. I also find it interesting that you went to a doctor to seek treatment. Why not just pray to god to heal it? You must not have had faith in the first place so you went to a doctor to be healed. what a hypocrite.
I used to be a christian for many years and I learned about the lie of the Christian God and the other Gods. Religion is used to control the dumb sheep and you are a good little sheep. You need it because you have nothing else. You need to feel you are special and that someone really loves you. No matter how ridiculous the claim is, you will continue to make it because you need to feel loved and special. demonstrated by you being picked by God to be healed while I’ve seen children die for lack of food and parents pray for their child. I know, they aren’t as special as you and loved as much as you. So god just watched them as they suffered and died. In FACT, your God decides which children will suffer and which ones will be molested and die. Because we know scripture is perfectly clear that “yet all is of God” and “god operates all in all”. thus, no child can be harmed unless it is the will of God. yet you worship a god that is known to kill little children and the unborn child. according to his very word. pretty sick if you ask me.
If the scriptures are true, then it is NEVER too late for anyone and god “will have that all men be saved” and we all know that what God wills, he gets. That is why scripture makes it clear that EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue confess the jesus is lord and what happens when we all confess? that is right, we are all saved.
so go tell you little superstition to the other dumb sheep because I’ve been very successful in helping young adults and sometimes children break free of the lie of the Christian God.
Peace
Posted by truelogic on July 4, 2011 at 1:41 pm
dude, i replied to him and then just read your post. exactly what I thought.
it’s interesting that these people will go to a doctor and when a doctor tells them they have some sickness, they believe it. but if a doctor of science claims evolution is true, they will deny it. I guess they will believe they are sick so they can then claim they were healed by their god. why the hell go to a doctor at all, just have god heal you if you have that much faith? clearly, he is a hypocrite and doesnt’ have faith in god to heal. clearly, he feels doctors don’t make mistakes. my mother and i were both diagnosed with emphysema and we are both free from the sickness…amazing. I guess the doctors were not wrong and we were healed by buddha because my relative said prayers to the buddhist god that we would be healed. i know that must be it..haha.
Posted by Reese on July 4, 2011 at 4:16 pm
I won’t even bother argue with you at all. You make some good points about the children. I don’t understand that either. I do know that when God created the earth,He gave authority to mankind to take care of it and everything in it. Just because mankind didn’t do a good job taking care of it’s people doesn’t mean it’s Him.The people of the earth was suppose to help those children:me,you,everyone. Those children’s own people did nothing to help and yes there are rich places in Africa. If they wouldn’t have so much hatred like you or sharing we wouldn’t have most of these problems we have today. If our mind would be where it needs to be. You’re too busy trying to prove something you can’t prove.You should be trying to encourage more people to help the children instead of your hatred. When I got diagnosed of emphysema I was no where near being a christian. I was a heavy alcoholic and a drug head and smoked 3 packs cigarettes a day. I was in no faith when I got sick. I was like you,didn’t really believe,or should I say mad at the world because I didn’t have my way. I do know that I prayed to the God(Only God) of the bible when I got sick,that’s how I know it was Him. He showed Himself to me. I’m not special,I’m no special then you. I just did what He says,seek Him with all your heart. That’s what I did and He showed Himself to me. Even though I was this big sinner,He found me. There were doctors since the beginning of time you know.There is nothing wrong with doctors, they’re trying to help those that don’t know how to receive His healing.I will not respond anymore because it is foolish to argue with the foolish. Look man I do struggle with lots of things I’m not perfect but I won’t spread any more of this hatred with you. You believe what you want to believe and I’ll believe what I Know is the truth. Find the truth before it’s too late dude because it will not be pretty for those who don’t put their faith in Jesus Christ. We can only be saved by faith in Him not our good works. Your soul is more precious to Him than you think. Why did you quit living for Him,because you couldn’t live for yourself? If people would truly live the way He wants us to live,this world would be a better place. I live for Him because I want to not because I’m forced to. He gave us the freedom of choice. I choose to live for Him… Time is running out!!! Hurry and seek your Creator before it’s too late. I will not write to you again. You know the truth already. His ways and His thoughts are bigger than ours. No man can understand Him and everything He does. Not everything is done by Him. It’s the evil/hatred in this world as to why people are suffering. Enjoy your day,Sir!!!
Posted by Dave on July 5, 2011 at 7:34 am
“If our mind would be where it needs to be”
You, Reese, have been called upon by God to liquidate your earthly possessions that you might move to Zimbabwe and help those ‘ungodly children’ in need. Put up, or shut up. YOU are the evil/hatred in this world…….so sanctimonious in your beliefs, which render you impervious to reality as long as yer ass is covered. Have another McMuffin and enjoy your day, sir!!!
Posted by truelogic on July 7, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Reese, YOU THINK YOU KNOW. Yet you have not a single shred of evidence to backup a single claim you make about your God. Nothing. Therefore, you have ZERO credibility. In fact, what you state is a lie and thus you have less than zero credibility, you have a negative credibility.
You will not argue anything with me and you will not use scripture to argue because you know what I state is true and it upsets your make believe world. To argue with me would cause your world to break down as you are forced to deal with reason and reality.
So please, just run along and enjoy your world of make believe. You are not my focus, you are already lost. However, the young, the children in this world have a chance before they are brainwashed by your cult (Christianity).
You are truly pathetic and I am sad that you were caught up in this lie like many are in any cult. Maybe it was your parents or maybe you had a low time in your life and needed to believe there was a power that really cared and loved you. Maybe you are so afraid to die because it is the end so you need to imagine something more. I don’t know your personal story but I do know for a FACT that your god is no more real than any other God and that your God is just as much a lie as the others.
peace
Posted by sanchezd12 on August 1, 2011 at 8:06 am
Im just curious to why you feel so strongly against Christianity? Are you spending your time trying to disprove other religions? I am a Christian and I do believe in God. I also agree this world is very screwed up. That is not by Him, but by us. You are entitled to your beliefs and I am sorry that you are so wounded by the Christian faith. But is believing in something higher than yourself really a bad thing? You wish so badly to disprove Christianity, but you are missing what it is even about. Christianity is not like other religions, you can research for yourself. Christianity is about relationship and is available to whomever. No other religion offers that promise. You want proof of God, look at the world as a creation. Not the way it has been transformed by humans but the actual beauty of the creation. Your argument that the Christian God is a lie is solely out of personal distaste. You want Reese to back up his claim and he is trying his best to be civil with you. If you want to denounce God then fine that is your choice, but to make it you goal to take God away from the young is a bit crazy. Your arguments that God is not real does not have any philosophical or theological backing for it. You say that we evolution is a lie. Who said that? Or are you choosing to generalize the view of some Christians to create one negative stereotype. Truth is the argument of evolution and religion are two completely different arguments. Do you truly believe that we evolved from single celled organisms? And if we have evolved from that why is our physical makeup no longer changing? I will not deny the science of evolution, because there is fact pointing to the adaptation of species to fit an environment. But I will say is it possible that God created evolution? Even scientist today and begging to state the world began with a singularity. A singularity as I understand it starts with defying the laws of physics. So the way evolutionist and Christians believe the world was created started with defying the laws of physics.
As for you seeing children die for lack of food while the parents pray I am sorry. God does not come to our every answer. God had plans for us but we turned our backs on him and rendered him of his authority over us. God is a loving parent and will not force anyone to follow him. So yes children in Africa may die, and some may be molested and killed. That does not disprove the reality of the existence of God. It just proves that we live in a sin cursed world. Stop trying to blame God for the evil humans have created.
Next for your argument that all men will be saved you are the scriptures twisted. Every knee bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord does not suggest all will be saved. That scripture is referring to the second coming of Jesus. The second coming will have already been too late. Every knee WILL bow and every tongue WILL confess that Jesus is Lord, not because they want to. It will be because they will be no denying the truth of Christ. When a person confesses Christ without a choice the chance for redemption will have been long gone. That is why we have the Bible, so we may know the truth of God and willingly choose to follow him.
When it is all said in done we can only change ourselves. We can hope that the life we live is a light unto the lost. Trust me believing in God in not the worst thing, choosing to deny the truth is.
Also you maybe Christians are afraid of death so we choose to believe there is something more. Its actually the opposite, real Christians do not fear death because they know there is life with Christ. Do I wish to die today? No, I would love the chance to share ministry with more people. But if God chooses to bring me home earlier then I wanted, why would a Christian complain about that?
Ill leave you with some philosophy instead of theology, I would much rather live a life believing there was a God and die finding out there isn’t, then live believing there isn’t a God and die only to find out there is.
Posted by truelogic on August 6, 2011 at 8:31 pm
if you really want to know why i feel this way, then get off your lazy butt and read what I have already written about several times.
Posted by Dave on August 6, 2011 at 9:20 pm
“Im just curious to why you feel so strongly against Christianity?”
Maybe, because it’s total mind-fuck bs?
“But is believing in something higher than yourself really a bad thing?”
Certainly not, there are many believers ( agnostics ) who revel in the belief of a higher authority, but, not the one proposed to exist in your, oh so precious, book.
Your capricious, arrogant entity is not worthy of worship at any level. After 3000 years HE is still in need of a few competent editors able to translate HIS true intentions as written. To date, none have been found and they constantly quibble over ‘meaning’. Truly, a joke.
Let’s leave you with some philosophy.
2000 years ago your God had no problem revealing himself on a personal level to mortal men. HE’s now confined communication to cheese sandwiches, tree bark and the occasional plumbing fixture. Hmm. What’s HE afraid of? Ask the Catholic church.
If you’re unable to figure that one out you’re surely a product of evolution.
Posted by truelogic on August 7, 2011 at 4:27 pm
I think we have told them enough times and we have so many lazy people that they ask the same question again without taking any time to read what we’ve stated in the past. they clearly don’t give a shit what or why we are so against religion. if they really cared to understand anything, they would question it on their own but then again they can’t do much on their own, they need to be told to believe.
Posted by sanchezd12 on August 9, 2011 at 9:16 am
First and foremost I have considered your argument, i do not respect the vulgarness of it. I do not disrespect your beliefs. You and I have opposite understandings of God, and I am sure we can both spend an entire lifetime proving our side of religion. I believe as a choice, and not a command. You disbelieve, so what that is your choice. The Bible says let every man work our his own salvation with fear and tremble. God does act on our terns, but merely is a foundation of a new life. All religions have their beliefs. I choose God. If that frustrates you well sorry, but it wont change. I have read other theologies and God is the one true God. Study my friend and maybe your life can be changed too. People who are translating the Bible are merely updating the wording to fit generations not making changes to scripture.
The one thing I say for both of you is do not let people push their faith on you. If your way is the way you believe best then I have done my share is letting you know you have been forgiven. Take care.
Posted by truelogic on August 9, 2011 at 10:07 am
There is nothing to understand with your god or any of the others outside of what there is to understand about any superstition. Fact is, your god is no more real than any other god. learn to live with it.
You have no choice according to your very God’s word. in FACT, according to your God “you can do NOTHING but for the father”. no choice in that remark. in fact, even Jesus himself stated that he could “do nothing but for the father”. Therefore, you are wrong again. read the bible and learn about your God because you apparently no nothing of his “word”. He, is the ‘potter’ and you are the ‘clay’ and he makes his vessels anyway he wants them to be made and to do what he wants them to do, including a “vessel for dishonor”. If EVERYTHING is according to HIS will then you have no choice and scripture supports my statements. thankfully, your God is no more real than any other God.
although you have not a single shred of evidence for your god that anyone else doesn’t have for their god, you will continue to believe in your God. even though the evidence demonstrates your god is not likely true, you will still believe in your god. that doesn’t frustrate me because the world is full of people that believe in all manner of superstition. that is just another fact you will need to live with.
another fact for you. I used to be a christian for many years and in fact so was my sister and many of my friends. my sister and I and a few friends have all learned your god, like the other gods are not real. some of my friends changed from being a christian and became muslim and they swear that their god or their version of god is real and their proof was shown to them by their new god. yeah, a crock of shit, just like your god.
i can promise you that no one will push their faith onto me and or my son or family. in fact, i work hard to make it knowing I do not believe in the christian god or other gods. when i am in a doctors office for my family and my son asks me about the bible book we often find in the office, i loudly state it is a superstition and that there isn’t a single shred of evidence for the god or any god. i tell them the story of other gods that came before Jesus and even had a mother and father names mary and joseph. and many other similiarities long before jesus was invented. yes, i really piss off a few people but i will not let the lie be propagated to my child and will help my child teach other kids about the nonsense and teach them to question what I call a crock of shit…in other words, jesus christ.
peace
Posted by sanchezd12 on August 9, 2011 at 3:01 pm
You my friend are a strong worrier for the devourer in an age of anti-Christ movements. I am a strong warrior for Christ that will start revival and show the truth. Whether you tell people He is not real, will not take away the fact He is. I do not wish to argue with you because no good will come of it. We both know that you and I are clear in our beliefs and I hope we can part as equals. I do not think less of you and if fact admire such restraint. But as a favor, and I will do the same, tell people about your beliefs when they ask. Do not force comments onto people in public that is tactless. I can tell you are better than that. A person who denies God can still be a good person and have good morals. So be that good person. As for the salvation you do not believe I will pray for Christ to intercede. You may go on believing what you do and thats fine, but just know there are Christians who are willing to be ethical about this. I do not agree with the Anti-Christ movement, but I am not THE JUDGE. Let him sort them out. You just be you and be a great father to your son. Show him things in life he can enjoy away from religion. Please don’t corrupt his innocence by playing your belief on him. He deserves better. If he ask about the Bible tell him its a book with stories. There is not a need to be inconsiderate of other people.
You are a smart man with strong beliefs. I am learning a deeper faith by conversations with you. I do hope that we can continue to talk but not from the argumentative side but from a friendly conversation. I want to know more about your beliefs if that is okay.
And as you read this I am sure you are thinking of ways to tell me off about raising your son. I do apologize for overstepping their. In my heart I know that you only want the best for your child and for that I do commend you. Now that we got our beliefs argued over and are certain there will be no chance of changing each other can we just have a civil conversation about religion? I long to know more and I believe even as an atheist you have a lot of knowledge. So will you talk with me? No more proving what is truth and not?
Posted by truelogic on August 9, 2011 at 3:47 pm
You haven’t a shred of evidence for your god. just like those that claimed god was coming in july and before that another time. yes, you are a strong worrier for your superstition and millions of others have beliefs for which they will claim with all their heart is true and will be revealed one day. yet NONE of them can prove shit.
also, the christian god also states that all will be saved so there really is no need to worry. scripture is clear that all will be saved and NO ONE is going to burn in a pit of fire. but then again, your belief is no more real than any other superstition and like i stated you are unable to demonstrate otherwise.
there is a need to be inconsiderate of others when they lie. christians are born into a lie and then spread that lie as if it is fact when NOTHING they claim and NO evidence can they present to demonstrate it is a fact. if they were honest and could admit the facts, then i would not be “inconsiderate”. however, they are ALL incosiderate when they claim their god is real, their god is the only god, others will burn in hell fire and so forth. it is especially inconsiderate and abusive when these things are taught to children. it is disgusting, immoral and no one should allow such nonsense to be taught to their child or spread around the world.
I am considerate with those that do not lie and make claims they can’t backup.
it is good that you are learning a deeper faith, you need it. I am not hear to argue and have only stated the facts. i do not claim anything magical, i do not make threats to children if they don’t believe what i tell them and in fact, I have spent many of my years helping others. I have given everything to help others at a time when i was unable to get a single christian to do the same. the hypocrisy is ridiculous among those that make magical claims.
you are welcome to tell me how to raise my son or whatever it is you wish. my son will figure it out on his own and I will make sure he is open and asks the questions required. I am an agnostic and no more an atheist than you are an atheist towards the gods you don’t believe in. like richard might say ” i just happen to believe in one less god than you”.
i will be happy to speak with anyone here but if you think there are rules to how i communicate or what I will discuss, then you are foolish. i put no rules on your any more than you have the ability to put a rule on me. i am free and the words spoken by your god stating that i can do nothing but for him are nothing more than words. words created by primitive men in a primitive time that believed all manner of superstitious ideas.
even today, many of the christians, especially in foreign countries, believe in their god and a number of other superstitions. all of it is nonsense.
the christian god isn’t the first god to be invented. then the story changed slowly over time and much of it is the same with the god named jesus. he borrowed much of his story from other gods and much of it was written by unknown authors long after the events are even reported to have taken place. but yeah…people still believe it is true.
peace
Posted by truelogic on August 9, 2011 at 3:53 pm
The Christian God himself claims to be the one that causes all things, to include evil things and evil people and to have created Satan for the very purpose for which he does what he does (if you believe in the superstition). If a child is molested, it is the Christian god that claims to be the cause of it, planned it, willed it to happen. and not only that, he watches it take place, over and over and over again without doing anything to stop it with many of the children dying from the abuse. Praise god,
…i guess?
i do find it amazing that there are so many christians that make so many claims about what their god is, what he does, what he will do and so forth and yet none of them can support their claims with scriptures. when I provide scripture after scripture that is clearly stating and supporting what i’ve stated or at the very least is just as possible and correct as the claims many christians make, they just rather believe what they are taught to believe and what they themselves wish to believe….regardless of facts, or evidence.
listen to any preacher and you will find, like all christians, they make claim after claim after claim and yet never backup their stuff. it is as has been proven via science, they believe what they want and they will even state what their God believes and claim it is what their gods teaches when an MRI demonstrates they are using the exact location in their brain they use to explain what they personally believe. which shouldn’t be a surprise.
people need to believe there is more or something better. some are brainwashed from childbirth and unfortunately are taught never to question.
Posted by sanchezd12 on August 9, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Let me state this is purely for my quest of understanding.
You know i have always stated that a “Christian” is the main person to turn away unbelievers because of the hypocrisy, but being a Christian doesn’t mean you wont mess up or sin, it just means you have grace to get back up. We, including myself, are sometimes to quick to say “hypocrite” instead of “human”.
However, I personally believe the word Christian has been overused that it now means nothing. A survey was down at a college and a question was posed on it: Can people still go to Heaven if they believe in other gods? Surprisingly more that 80% of them said yes. I believe in this generation we are facing a new level of lukewarm “Christianity” that fuels the fire of unbelievers. No offense to you. I know you make reference to scripture that all will be saved and the truth is that is out of context and misleading there are scriptures that say those who believe will be saved, but not all are saved. “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there many who will go through it. How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.” (Mt 7: 13-14)
It is plan in the scriptures that you know so well that not every one is going to be saved. The very book that you are using scriptures to announce its falsehood, is the same book that declares its truth.
Sexual molestation touches home for me. I was at a young age and i can remember the man telling me that this was our little secret. It continued for over a year and I did not tell a soul. If fact it had change me completely. I was around 7 years old and I began to do the same thing the other children, boys and girls, and tell them that it was our little secret. I had a demon in me, (Because i believe in God) and it changed the way i saw people and children. After sometime of declaring my faith in God I began to remember the times the man molested me, i would cry at night in my bed thinking I should go to hell for what I did to those children. Finally I got rest in the Word. The Bible told me that trials test our faith and testing our faith produces endurance. For me personally something that has happened nearly 15 years ago has produce a faith and endurance that will get me through anything. Because I was sexually molested I have been able to help children and adults let go of that part of their life. Had I never been through that i would have never been able to touch people the way i have. So glory to Him. (I know you don’t believe, its cool).
I know you really believe there is not a shred of God. Science proves it or whatever it may be. But the reality is faith and relationship with God IS a personal thing. Going to church wont save anyone. Falling in love with the Word of God and strengthen that relationship will. To me Faith isn’t about proof. I mean I have seen healing, prophetic words, experience speaking in tongues. Those things I can testify to. But we must make one thing clear NOT ALL WILL BE SAVED. He wants every one to be saved, scriptures say that, but it also says we have to choose Him.
I don’t believe it is God’s will for children just like me to be molested. I do believe He can and will make something good from it if we survive and surrender our lives to Him. I almost feel like the world has somehow forgotten if their is an ultimate good their much also be an ultimate bad. Satan is much alive and he does cause pain. I don’t believe that God wants to sit back and watch these children get hurt. I mean they are His masterpiece. Since I believe in heaven, I believe those children who die for whatever reason, abuse, lack of resources, whatever it may be are actually blessed. (I know you disagree, this is just where I stand) Children who go home to the Father are far better than those who have to continue the abuse. I was one of those children, but it has aloud me to be a testimony of God’s love and grace. If you want evidence of God, then I challenge you to find a “real” Christian and talk with him/her in person. Because evidence of God lies within us. The Holy Spirit resides in us. We and to be transformed into a son and daughter of God (being adopted) and to do so, His one and only Son died and rose, so that He may reside in us.
Even as a sceptic, history does not deny a man named Jesus who proclaimed He was the messiah and was crucified. There is an empty tomb. ALL FACTS of His life. The truth lies with those of us who choose to believe, and to those who don’t that is there choice.
Now you have a little of my beliefs, would you mind sharing yours? I would like to hear about when you were a Christian and what made you turn away if thats cool. Thanks
Posted by truelogic on August 9, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Clearly you do not know what this scripture means and you haven’t put it into context. “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there many who will go through it. How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.” (Mt 7: 13-14)
Go ahead and educate us on how this scripture states that not everyone is going to be saved. Then I will take the time to correct you. You also must realize that I am speaking from a far more objective possession than you. I am not scared of some eternal threat because I do not believe there is one and I do not believe in a God or some special reward for believing as others have told me I should believe.
So go ahead and explain to us how that scripture states we are not all going to be saved. Try to be very clear and make sure it is all in context and not in the context of what you wish to call context. Also, remember what I stated about the books being written 50 to 100 years after the fact and by people that didn’t have first hand accounts of that for which they wrote.
Posted by truelogic on August 9, 2011 at 10:13 pm
there are several men, even today that have proclaimed they are jesus, the son of god. does that make them truly the son of god? of course not.
Posted by truelogic on August 9, 2011 at 10:23 pm
No, you didn’t have a demon in you. You claim you did and like your claim for your God you haven’t a single shred of evidence to demonstrate there was a demon in you. The sad sack of shit that molested you was part of the reason you did what you did and a bit of proper medical attention could have made that clear to you. You needed a god, a magic person, a father that loved you more than you could believe and that would always be there for you (except for the time you were repeatedly molested) and he could never hurt you by not showing up because you believed he was always there. nice how magic works.
I have heard similar stories from those that believe in other Gods. There is also a never ending list of Christians and Christian leaders, along with other religious nuts, that have molested children and continue to do it today. look at the post I just put up on the catholic church…wow. yet people still give them money and they still believe the church is good….just like you believe in what you are telling me.
Fact is if your God is true he absolutely does watch children being molested and he lets it happen. maybe he doesn’t enjoy it and maybe he doesn’t feel bad about it (remember, god is not real) but it is not for your to know or me as we are not God. Holy Spirit. notice you have not a shred of evidence to demonstrate he is real or to back up anything you state about him, or demons, or satan, or angels or any other invisible character your kind claims to be true but NEVER produce evidence to back up. Again, JUST like all the other Gods and other superstitions. no different.
Posted by sanchezd12 on August 10, 2011 at 12:20 am
well, you have still yet to tell me about your conversion. And also when I was a child it was not a demon you are correct! Nice you got one right. I used demon in the since of a spiritual stronghold which i am sure you know all about. There is no way on this earth to explain everything without some sort of deity. Mine and many others is Christ. I am not afraid God as some almighty being, I love Him as a compassionate Lord. I know the scriptures and if you want to put your bible up against mine we can, and you will lose. The way you see scripture is twisted and false. Don’t tell me everyone is saved, when the bible clearly tells us they wont. “Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord! will enter the kingdom of heaven,” (Pause) Hmmm not everyone will enter heaven? That sounds like some may not be getting saved. “…but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to Me, Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? Then I will announce to them, I never knew you! Depart from me, you law-breakers!” (Mt 7:21-23)
Pretty black and white, there is no denying that not all will enter the kingdom of heaven only the one who does the will of God. Its right there for you to see. I look forward to your response, but I have grown tiresome since this is just argument and not conversation. Have a good life, and may whatever you believe in be with you.
Posted by me on August 20, 2011 at 9:25 pm
I read every post and I think that you will find the truth when you die. If you don’t believe in nothing, you will see where you go when you die and of course you can not tell us about it. For me I know that “MY” TRUTH and “MY” BELIEVE is that I will live an eternal life in heaven with Jesus, the Holy Spirit and “The Only God” (for ME) when I die. The problem here is that you try to convince others with your “truelogic” that their beliefs are not true and other try to convince you that your beliefs are not true….I think every one has the right to believe what they want to believe and I believe in Jesus Christ no matter what….I prefer to be a blind follower…I just hope to see you in heaven but you know about what the Bible says…no Jesus no Heaven…and I know that you don’t believe in heaven…so…where you think you will go when you die? Maybe you think that you will come again as a Tree…or just disappear to other galaxy…
Posted by truelogic on August 23, 2011 at 6:09 am
That is what you “believe” and not what you know as fact. In fact, you may die and find that Krishna or buddha or allah are the god or that maybe they all rule the heavens. You may not find out anything, it may just be the end. I am intelligent enough to say I don’t know what will happen but also intelligent enough to take the evidence before us and state that your god and all the other Gods invented by men are nothing more than a superstition.
The bible is very clear that ALL men shall be saved. Everyone and that EVERYONE will confess that Jesus is lord. tell me, if scripture says everyone will confess that jesus is lord, will they then not be saved? let he that is of thirst, come and drink. You should learn to read the bible and understand scriptures a little better.
there are many people just like you but they believe in some other god just as much as you claim you believe in your god. prove they are wrong….oh yeah, you can’t. your superstition is no more real than any other superstition unless you can back it up with evidence. the evidence is on my side.
peace
Posted by sanchezd12 on August 23, 2011 at 10:08 am
Let He that is of thirst. and drink. You are correct. God in His almighty Grace has CHOSEN everyone to be saved. But the only people who will be saved are those that choose HIM. Therefore, you, just like the Pharisees are refuted by trying to twist the scriptures and make a trap for believers. HONESTLY truelogic, you should read your BIble and not just the parts that defend your statements of belief. The Bible is one book, One Word, and is intended to be read and understood that way.
And Yes everyone will confess is He lord. And they will do so without choice at His second coming. We have one chance in our mortals lives to choose between Him or the world. So you trying to twist scripture is just plain sad. You said you know scripture, yet everything you say is out of context or twisted to fit your dogma.
Scripture says that if a man will confess with his lips and believe in his heart that Jesus is who He said He is then yes they will be saved. Again salvation is based on the individuals choice to choose Him. God has chosen everyone, including you. But just like everyone else you have to confess He is lord and believe in your heart. God knows everyone”s heart and if they are just faking it they will receive their punishment. These people honor Me with their lips, but their far from Me. Again you have been denied the lie that all will be saved. LET ME SAY THIS CLEARY FOR YOU, GOD HAS CHOSEN EVERYONE TO BE SAVED, EPHESIANS TELLS US THAT WE HAVE BEEN PREDESTINED FOR HIM. BUT LISTEN CAREFULLY, IF A PERSON DOES NOT EXCEPT THE FREE GIFT OF GOD THEN THAT PERSON HAS MADE HIS CHOICE NOT TO BE SAVED. THE BIBLE SPEAKS CLEARLY ON THIS AND YET YOU TRY TO TWIST IT? COME ONE YOU KNOW THE BIBLE, OR CLAIM TO. But really, it would be wonderful if everyone would be saved, and this is how they show they love Him, they obey His commands. HMMMM in the Bible too. Our world would be such a better place if everyone was getting saved, because that would mean they have chosen to follow Christ and not some other deity,
AS for the post “Me”. You prefer to be a blind follower? Matt 10:32-37 it is quite a bit to write out but i suggest you read it and also trulogic. Maybe you (“ME”) wills see that we our the light of the world a city on a hill cannot be hidden, nor do people light a lamp and put it under a cover, but on a lampstand so that it may give light to the whole house. Blind following is close to no following, we are called to preach the Gospel share the Word so that everyone hears of His good Grace. I challenge you to step out of your comfort zone and read about what following Christ takes. If you read the four Gospels Christ teaches us many things.
Trulogic, you will not be convinced of Christ and so be it. I do however want you to know He has chosen you, but you have rejected Him. At this present moment it is safe to say your reward will not be eternal life with Christ, but eternal separation in Sheol. You know the Bible, repent and be baptized by the Holy spirit so the One who has started a good work in you may finish it. Good luck to you in life and I pray blessing over you as a father to your child, and if you are married I pray blessing that you may be an anointed husband. I also pray that you find peace in your life, even if it is not in Christ. I do pray you find peace in Him, but again your choice. One day we will all be judged and there is still time to choose which judgement you want: a sheep that hears His voice, or one that wanders and is devoured, in the end the choice to be saved is yours. He has chosen you. You have to choose Him in order to be saved.
Posted by truelogic on August 23, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Can you provide a scripture that states we will confess Jesus is lord without a choice? I would like to read it. Let me guess, you don’t have one?
I happen to be able to backup my statements with Scripture and not just make ridiculous claims. In fact, I can provide multiple Scriptures.
“God our Saviour; Who WILL have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” I Tim. 2:4
Some Christians attempt to say that this Scripture was supposed to use the word “desires” instead of wills. Fact is, if the almighty God desires or wills something, he claims it will happen. His desires will be done as will his pleasures and his will. Read the book.
Here is the translation from the Greek Codex Sinaiticus, the oldest extant complete version of the New Testament.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour,
who <> that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.”
I hope you are seated.
“This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God Who is the Saviour of ALL MEN specially of those that believe” (I Tim. 4:10).
Apparently you think Jesus is the savior of some men and when he says “specially of those that believe” you think that means exclusively.
Apparently you think Jesus will fail to be the saviour of all men. You have very little faith in your God.
“For He is our Peace, Who makes both one (Jews and Gentiles), and razes the central wall of the barrier (the enmity in His flesh), nullifying the law of precepts in decrees, that He should be creating the two (both Jews and Gentiles), in Himself, into one new humanity, making peace; and should be reconciling both in one body to God, through the cross, killing the enmity in it” (Eph. 2:14-16).
Holy shit, did you catch that little Scripture or would you rather just ignore it? Let me guess, you are ready to run from this blog, aren’t you. Go ahead, give us another excuse for why you are right and we are clearly wrong…haha.
“Who is the Image of the invisible God, Firstborn of every creature, for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him, and He is before all, and all has it cohesion in Him. And He is the Head of the body, the ecclesia, Who is Sovereign, Firstborn from among the dead, that in all He may be becoming first, for in Him the entire complement delights to dwell, and through Him to reconcile all to Him making peace through the blood of His cross, through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens” (Col. 1:14-20).
“reconcile all to him” damn, doesn’t sound like the traditional Christian take. Christians have no faith in their God and like you they think they make the choice to come to the lord. I hope you are really seated for this next one on choice.
“You have NOT CHOSEN ME, but I have CHOSEN YOU…” (John 15:16).
OUCH!!!! I thought you said we have to choose him. Lets look a bit more.
“NO MAN can come to me except the Father which has sent me DRAW (drag him: greek) HIM and I WILL raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44).
Seems God is the one that decides and it seems he will do it on the very last day if that should be the case. Don’t you believe your God will do what his words states. I guess you are going to tell him what he is allowed to do? haha..the pride.
“There is NONE that seeks after God” (Rom. 3:11b).
That is right, even God believes that there are NONE, including you, that seeks after him.
Where is the choice?
You don’t have one, sorry. Did you miss this next Scripture while you live in your fantasy world?
“For it is GOD which works IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO of His good pleasure” (Phil. 2:13).
Tell me sanchezd12, how is it that you can do anything of your own choice when God CLEARY stated the above? Do you need supporting Scriptures? I think i can help.
“…and what have you that you did not RECEIVE….?” (I Cor. 4:7).
Go ahead, tell us what you have that you have not received. go ahead sanchezd12. God seems to think you have received all from him and that you have no choice.
You don’t even choose to have faith. it is a GIFT and not a choice. please attempt to do your research before you come to a blog and make claims you can’t backup.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that (faith) not of yourselves it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them” (Eph. 2:8-10).
I also like that “before ordained”. do you know what that means? That is right, you have NO choice. Sorry to break the news to you.
No, you can’t even repent based on your own choice.
“Or despise you the riches of HIS goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God LEADS you to repentance?” (Rom. 2:4). God leading you isn’t called free will choice. sorry but again you are proven wrong by your own God.
If you don’t like what I have posted, I suggest you take it up with your God. they are his words, not mine.
“I am the vine, you are the branches … for without me you can do NOTHING” (John 15:5).
Even Jesus stated that he could do NOTHING but for the father. Do you think you can do that which Jesus couldn’t do? Apparently you do. That pride is going to get you…or maybe it already has.
You can’t even say Jesus Christ is lord unless the Holy Spirit makes you:
“…no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit” (I Cor. 12).
you probably don’t understand this next scripture or how it applies directly to you and everyone else but I’ll share it with you anyway.
“Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.” Jer. 13:23
Do you understand this one or do i need to explain it to you as well? You have no choice and your God states it over, and over, and over again.
“I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me” (John 12:32). Do you believe Jesus will fail this too? What do you think happens when a being is drawn up to God himself? Do you think they would say, nope…that is not real…i don’t believe. if you think that then you are an idiot.
“To wit that God was in Christ, reconciling THE WORLD unto Himself, NOT imputing their trespasses against them” (II Cor. 5:19)
Did you see the word “world”? it didn’t say some of the world or those that believe like you in the world. Do you need more help?
“And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our’s only, but also for THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD” (I John 2:2).
That would be everyone and since God is the potter and we are the clay, we can only do what he has formed each vessel to do. This is why it is so clear that he WILL save ALL men.
“For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified” (I Cor. 15:22).
Clearly you don’t read the Bible or if you do, you clearly haven’t a clue of how to interpret simple Scriptures. It also appears you have no understanding of your God and what he does and or will do. Educate yourself.
“O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself. It is not in man that walks to direct his steps” (Jer. 10:23).
If your God were real it would be clear that he meant this next Scripture for you:
“Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men…Full well you reject the commandments of God,that you may keep your OWN traditions” (Mark 7:7 & 9)
If you think I am not capable of providing far more Scriptural examples and explaining with other examples in the bible, then you are very mistaken.
Please educate yourself before you go around claiming things for which you can’t backup or even remotely begin to prove. it is disgusting that anyone would take individuals like you seriously concerning matters of a God. anyone that attempts to pull that shit with my children will and have faced my response. it is a shame that religions like the christian religion rely on the ignorance and undeveloped minds of children to sale their bullshit.
first, you should prove your God is remotely true before you go around making claims about your unproven God. people like you should be held accountable for your lies and maybe one day you will.
Posted by truelogic on August 23, 2011 at 5:28 pm
When Jesus stated “let the dead bury the dead” what do you think he meant? It seems you, like most Christians or believers in Christ never take time to read the book and are so quick to follow the doctrine you are told and made to believe. think for yourself. There is a physical death and a spiritual death in a single verse. The spiritually dead that bury the physically dead.
That at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow…And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Phil. 2:9-11). What happens when you confess Jesus is lord? Which you can NOT do unless you are made to do it by the holy spirit. You are saved.
Maybe this next witness from the God himself will make it clearer to you:
“I HAVE SWORN BY myself, the word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto Me EVERY KNEE shall bow, EVERY TONGUE shall swear” (Isaiah 45:23).
Holy fucking shit, he has SWORN by himself…that sounds rather final and exact, doesn’t it.
“For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, EVERY KNEE shall bow to me, and EVERY TONGUE shall confess to God” (Rom. 14:11).
What? another witness to the very same shit? damn,,,,seems like you are proven wrong, easily.
Sorry but it is clear that ALL men will be saved as Scripture has made clear and that is because:
“God is operating ALL in all” (I Cor. 12:6)
“Yet ALL is of God” (II Cor. 5:18)
“For OF Him, and THROUGH Him, and TO Him, are ALL things: to Whom be glory for ever. Amen” (Rom. 11:34)
“…being predestinated according to the purpose of Him Who works ALL things after the counsel of His OWN WILL” (Eph. 1:11).
NOTHING is after your own will, according to your God it is all after his own will….thus it can’t be after yours or mine or anyone elses and again I prove you do not make a choice, god does.
Posted by truelogic on August 23, 2011 at 5:32 pm
“FORGIVE THEM, for they know not what they do.”
Let me guess, you don’t even know the full context of what this applies, or do you?
Posted by truelogic on August 23, 2011 at 5:40 pm
If Scripture is true then all that I have stated would be fact and that would include this scripture which again proves you have no choice to accept jesus or not.
“To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die … a time to kill, and a time to heal…” (Ecc. 3:1-3).
As the other scriptures have pointed out, God planned everything from the beginning. He planned jesus birth before he every created man, so says scripture. he planned the day he would force you to believe in him and the day he would force me to say he is nothing but another superstition. you can do nothing but for the father.
as you can see, i could do this all day with a never ending list of scriptures and prove you are completely full of shit. you haven’t a clue about your God, you haven’t a clue about reality and you go around making claims you can’t backup. you are what I would call a fool but that is only my opinion which accounts for very little.
Remember that verse with God saying that he “wills that all men be saved” and remember when some Christians love to claim the word wills is actually supposed to be desires? I thought i would share this support for my claim in an earlier post about desires:
“But He is in one mind, and who can turn him? And what His soul desires, EVEN THAT HE DOES” (Job 23:13). yes, whatever he wills or whatever he desires, he apparently does.
Posted by truelogic on August 23, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Do you wonder about the firey trials and think if you are saved you are not going to face them? Sorry, it applies to nearly everyone but the very, very few. a millions or a billions Christians is NOT the few.
“Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you” (I Pet. 4:12). notice how it appears that it is something that is rather normal and if you read the bible you will read about the fiery trials of the saints. yeah, those saints which are better than you….go through fire.
“I indeed baptize you with water unto REPENTANCE: but He that comes after me is mightier than I, Whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, AND WITH FIRE” (Matt. 3:11).
“For EVERY ONE (yes, that means you too) shall be salted with FIRE” (Mark 9:49).
so as you can see, the pieces of the puzzle come together and one of us hasn’t a clue as to what scripture states and one of us does. I wonder which one of us has been able to backup their claims with scripture after scripture.
Posted by truelogic on August 23, 2011 at 5:48 pm
let me provide you with another example of how you have NO CHOICE and what you do is what God decided you would do.
the disciples told jesus they would never deny him. jesus told them they would because Jesus knows what is going to happen before it happens. the disciples, like you, thought they had a choice and had free will to decide and told Jesus again, no, no, it is impossible for us to deny you. Jesus told them again that they would but they would not believe it and thought it was impossible because they thought they had the ability to make their own choice. what happened? they denied him.
do you need more stories to prove the point?
Posted by truelogic on August 23, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Funny how your God has promised to save all men and yet Christians deny that he will.
“Who (that would be GOD) WILL have ALL men to be SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (I Tim. 2:4). The word ALL means ALL. Not just you and not just those that are like you or as “perfect” as you. No, it means ALL, everyone….period!
Posted by truelogic on August 23, 2011 at 5:58 pm
“Behold, I will send My Messenger before Me: and the Lord, Whom you seek, shall suddenly come to His temple [His people in whom He dwells, I Cor. 3;16], even the Messenger of the covenant, Whom you delight in: behold, He shall come, says the Lord of hosts.
But who may abide the day of His coming? And who shall stand when He appears? for He is like A REFINER’S FIRE, and like FULLERS’ SOAP: And He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and He shall purify the sons of Levi…” (Mal. 3:1-3a).
Do you understand what the refiner’s fire actually does? It purifies so that all are saved because they are pure and can finally stand before this God. Everyone will face a fire to purify them. not just the son’s of levi.
Posted by sanchezd12 on August 23, 2011 at 9:53 pm
You are a very talented man. I indeed respect your knowledge of scripture. Lets check out 2 Th 1:5-10
“It is clear evidence of God’s righteous judgement that you will be counted worthy of God’s kingdom, (This is a letter to a church in Thessalonica) for which you are also suffering, since it is righteous for God to repay with affliction those who afflicted you, (Talking about the evil doers who harmed the people of this church), and to reward with rest you who are afflicted, along with us. This will take place at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with His powerful angels, taking vengeance with the flaming fire on those who don’t know God and those who don’t obey the gospel of of our Lord Jesus. These will pay with the penalty of everlasting destruction, away from the Lord’s presence and away from His glorious strength, in that day when He comes to be glorified by His saints and to be admired by ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BELIEVED, because our testimony among you was believed.
Woah, wait a minute here. God is going to take vengeance on those who don’t know God or obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus?
Hold on I believe you just listed plenty of scripture stating everyone is gonna be saved, and we don’t have a choice that we will all confess. And one day everyone shall. But look at this text, those who don’t know Him or don’t obey the gospel, seems to me there are some people who have a choice. Oh wait thats you and me.
Lets continue. John 6 :53-58 “So Jesus said to them, “I assure you: Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you do not have life in yourselves.”
Pause, so a person must eat and drink of Jesus or they will not have life in themselves? Woah so there isn’t life outside of Jesus, in fact this is a statement and not a commandment. He is sharing the truth with the jewish people. Lets continue with the verse.
54 “anyone who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day, because My flesh is real food and My blood is real drink. The one who eats My flesh and drinks My blood lives in Me, and I in him..
Jesus lives in us? Is that possible, the answer is yes. It is possible for those who eat of His flesh and drink of His blood. Anywhere in the scripture to you see commands or merely statements of truth?
57 “Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread that came down from heaven; it is not like the manna your fathers ate- and they died. The one who eats this bread will live forever.
So now we have a passage speaking about Jesus being the only way to the Father. He does not say “all men will eat of my flesh and drink of my blood” instead He said “…so the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me.” Crazy huh. One, does not refer to all, so it safe to say we can choose to eat and drink of Him or not too.
Lets look again. Two scriptures very close together. John 3:16-21 For God so loved the world in this way: He gave Hid One and Only Son, so that everyone who BELIEVES in Him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world that He might condemn it,” (This is congruent with Romans 8:1 “Therefore, no condemnation now exist for those,” (not ALL, but those) “in Christ Jesus…”) “but that the world might, (NOt WILL, BUT MIGHT AKA Possibly) be saved through HIm. Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is already condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the One and Only son of God.”
Pause. Wait so a God that will make everyone believe in Him is stating that some people wont believe and will be condemned? My, is that possible? I mean according to you, we do not have a choice yet God, says anyone who believes is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is already condemned. But lets continue.
19 “This, then, is the judgement: The light has come into the world, and the people loved darkness rather than the light because their deed were evil. For eveyone who practices wicked things hates the light and avoids it, so that his deeds may not be exposed. But anyone who lived by truth comes to the light, so that his works may be shown to be accomplished by God.”
Jesus came into the world, God in the flesh, and people turned their hearts because they loved darkness instead? Tell me if we have no choice then how could someone not love Christ? (Your answer will probably be because its not real).
John 3:36 “The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”
Tell me again how people do not have a choice, because clearly it states one will believe and one will refuse. Choice.
You speak about the disciples telling Jesus it was impossible for them to deny Him and He said they would. And they continued saying they wont, but in the end the did. God is omniscient and omnipresent. He is the beginning and the end. He knows all things. Yes the disciples thought they would deny Him, but Christ being God incarnate, already knew who would deny Him and wouldn’t. Peter one of the greatest apostles denied Christ 3 times, but afterward He began to preach the Gospel and share the love and Spirit of Christ. Peter was there at the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came upon the people. Jesus knew Peter would deny Him, but Jesus also knew Peter would choose Him. Just because God is all-knowing does not mean He makes us do anything. If that were so, you’d be believing in Him. God has chosen us, that is what I said, but we then must choose, the free gift of Christ. There is not a price, just a choice.
You talked about what God wills or desires happens, let me give you scripture that shows that you do not the truth. I am still learning myself, but let me show you. Isaiah 5: 1-7 “I will sing about the one I love, a song about my loved one’s vineyard: The on I love had a vineyard on a very fertile hill. He (God) broke up the soil, cleared it of stones, and planted it with the finest vines. He built a tower in the middle of it and even hewed out a winepress there. He (God) EXPECTED it to yield good grapes, but it yielded worthless grapes.” Now God is about to speak, but noticed how He expected? “So now, residents of Jerusalem and men of Judah, please judge between Me and My vineyard. What more could I have done for my vineyard than I did? Why, when I expected a yield of good grapes, did it yield worthless grapes?” (Now keep in mind God is all knowing but this is a visual for us who are all knowing.) “Now I will tell you what I am about to do to My vineyard: I will remove from its hedge, and it will be consumed; I will tear down its wall, and it will be trampled. I will make it a wasteland. It will not be pruned or weeded; thorns and briers will grow up. I will also give orders to the clouds that rain should not fall on it. For the vineyard of the Lord of Hosts is the house of Israel and the men of Judah, the plant He delighted in. He looked for justice but saw injustice, for righteousness, but heard cries of wretchedness.”
God expected good fruit from the vineyard He did everything for. You say what God wills or desires to happens but that is not the case. Will can be synonymous with want, or desire. God does not create or make us do anything. God did not desire for a world to be created, He spoke it into existence. The power of life and death is in the tongue. God speaks. He wills for everyone to be saved. Translated it is God’s want and desire for all to be saved, but that is not the case as I have shown you in scripture.
Some more? Mt. 23:37-39 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem! The city who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. How often I wanted (desired) to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, yet you were not willing!”
Hold on God wanted to gather them up but they were unwilling? I a no scholar by any means, but it sounds to me as if we have the power to will. The choice to refuse God, or to accept Him.
38″See, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will never see Me again until you say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. (AKA Jesus).
But to go to your main scripture 1 Tim 2: 3-6 “This is good, and it pleases God our savior, who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself – a ransom for all, a testimony at the proper time.
Your translation may say “all” do you know who “all” refers to within the context of the Bible? Lets look at your other main verse in Timothy 4: 9-10: “This saying is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance. In fact, we labor and strive for this, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the savior of everyone (or All), especially of those who believe.
Everyone or “all” refers to both Jews and Gentiles. It refers to all kinds of people rather than every single individual. God has His chosen people, Israel, but has made Himself available for everyone through the sacrifice of Christ Jesus. Gentile refers to non-Jew. Especially can also be translated “namely”. So everyone or “all” refers to every believer regardless of ethnic background.
In the end my friend, God has chosen us all, He also knows who will believe and who will not. But He does not make us choose Him. So yes the choice is yours to accept this free gift from God, it is also your choice to refuse as the Jewish people rejected Christ as the Messiah. I hope this clears up some of your theology about whether or not all will be saved. ALL CAN BE SAVED AND GOD DESIRES THAT, BUT WE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST. I’ve stated scripture to back up every statement just as you have done, the only difference is my heart is not refusing the truth or knowledge.
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. None shall come to the Father except through Him. As Christians we cannot do anything without Christ, we have chosen Him and so we need His guidance in order to fulfill our purpose and to bear good fruit.
John 15:5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me. If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown aside like a branch and he withers. They gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you remain in Me and My words in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. My Father is glorified by this: That you produce much fruit and prove to be My disciples.
Choice, we have it. We can choose Christ, because He has chosen us first. But we also can choose to not remain in Him and be thrown aside and wither. Then will be tossed into the fire and be burned.
God does what He desires, because we as humans cannot change His mind, nor angels, demons, or satan. God is All knowing, All present, and All powerful. He is more then our minds can comprehend. Job is groaning to God about his situation and that is why the verse is there. Because God has chosen Job to be tested, and in the end of the book of Job, it tells us that God restored to him everything.
When scripture is being argued over or controversy arises, it is important to look at the context in which things were written and said. I really do pray peace over you. One day you will confess that He is lord. But by that time if you haven’t already confessed in your mortal life then it will be too late. Choice my friend. We have a choice.
Posted by Dave on August 23, 2011 at 11:05 pm
‘It is possible for those who eat of His flesh and drink of His blood.’
Good grief. It appears cannibalism is an accepted ritual in the Catholic church fantasy series. Centuries from now humanity may progress and replace this pagan bronze-age ideology with ‘The Gospel of Harry Potter’. Gosh…just as relevant…and, bonus…..we can actually confirm who wrote it!!…..Ste. Rowling!!
Scripture? The most enduring fairy-tale ever written. Copied and re-translated over and over throughout millenia by people/bookworms unable to get a real job. Each adding a little spice to their version.
Sanchezd12……you appear delusional. Can you provide ANY evidence, whatsoever, that Jesus Christ actually ever existed? Nope. Don’t bother quoting any biblical verse as not a one is relative to ‘facts’. Roman historians didn’t see fit to include even the briefest footnote in their journals as to the existence of someone who had purportedly performed 30+ ‘miracles’. Strange, isn’t it? Could the persona of Jesus have arisen from the imagination of a desert-dwelling mushroom cult? Too many similarities with previous myth….virgin birth…blah, blah…to ignore.
I’m astounded and appalled that religion has such a foothold in modern society. “Superstition” is rampant and it’s ironic that ‘true believers’ hold themselves in much higher esteem than adversarial practitioners of voodoo or feng shui or whatever. Well…why not?…ugga-bugga should be available to everyone.
Posted by Dave on August 24, 2011 at 12:06 am
Actually……The ‘Bable’ has something to say about everything you might imagine, if you choose to interpret it as such. It’s quite boring reading/listening to this or that quote ( sacred scripture ) as if it’s actually supposed to mean something…….oooh! The only reason it was written in the first place and is continually updated and rewritten, is to control your ass. Only a fool would listen to a single word Benny the Rat would have to say. Unless, of course, he invites you to the palace and, at his behest, you engage in an evening of papal costume cross-dressing. Talk about FWB. This dude has it all.
Posted by truelogic on August 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Seems you completely ignore the facts I have provided. Instead of addressing those scriptures, you attempt to quote other scriptures without being honest about what they actually state. You just want to imply they mean something they don’t.
The “choice” you have is not a free will choice and clearly your god stated that he already knows what will happen, no matter what your choice, he planned it already.
Scripture is clear that “yet ALL is of God”. Do you wish to ignore that word?
Any punishment you state is not the kind of punishment you were brainwashed into believing and being dishonest with scripture doesn’t win you anything here or in the world.
Notice, you haven’t even bothered to attempt to prove your God is any more real than any other God or any less false. Yet you are happy to go on and make other claims you can’t backup.
God is the potter and you are the clay. he makes one vessel for honor and another one for dishonor. and you think he is righteous to hurt those that are only doing what he created them to do. He created Satan to do exactly what satan does. “i created the waster to destroy”. Satan didn’t just fall from heaven, he was created to do exactly that and your God has stated he has “planned EVERYTHING according to his will”.
the only choice you have is that same type of choice a computer has. you do not have free will choice or so says your God.
why not try to talk to him and ask him to demonstrate he is real. his scripture has a test to determine if a god is real and I promise you that your God will fail the test he is supposedly used against another God. funny how it works.
Posted by truelogic on August 24, 2011 at 5:57 pm
vengeance? tell us, what exactly does that entail? In fact, i could go through each of the scriptures and demonstrate how they align perfectly with what I’ve already stated. the fact that you are attempting to contradict other scriptures, which is a big no no according to God, only demonstrates there is a problem in the understanding of scripture. Notice how the scriptures i’ve posted are extremely ..to the point. “yet ALL is of God”. no wiggle room. God planned everything from the beginning…no wiggle room. God decides the time for every matter and every event…no wiggle room. God created the wicked and the waster (satan) for the evil they do. in fact, God created evil and causes evil to take place (yeah, i can post a never ending list of the evil god is responsible for).
instead of addressing the scriptures I provide, you attempt to through others out there to avoid the facts and attempt to direct discussion to scriptures you think contradict. why is it that you wish to force your God’s word to contradict? also, notice that your point of view is far less objective than mine. you are required to believe in your god and are promised rewards if you do. I am not required to do anything and don’t believe i would ever get a reward or a punishment. I wish there was some God that answered prayers and did all wonderful things but your God is not that god and is nothing but a superstition.
additionally, it is important that you first demonstrate that your God is remotely, remotely ass real or any less false than any other God. Yet you haven’t the tiniest shred of evidence to demonstrate your God is real. I can promise you that you will not be able to provide that evidence either. I can also promise you that I can provide evidence to demonstrate your God is not likely…based on logic, history and facts.
before I start to teach you of how you again wish to take scripture and prove something which contradicts the direct words of your God, you will need to first prove your god is remotely true and not just as false as any other God. again, I promise you that you can’t.
You stated it yourself, “god desires” that we be saved. and yet scripture states that God’s “desires will be done”. are you telling me if your god desires something that he will not get it? what a pussy of a god. at least your god should have the power to have what he desires, especially when he states he will have what he will have all his desires and pleasures.
prove god is more than we can comprehend, prove he is all powerful and all knowing. notice how many statements of “fact” you make and yet you can’t back any of them up. you have zero credibility.
if a priest molests a child it is God that created the evil and created the “wicked for the evil day”. and god determined exactly when it would happen.
your little scriptures do not make a dent in what I have proposed. you need to first start by addressing the scriptures i posted and the fact that your god isn’t real…prove something before you continue to make more claims.
Posted by truelogic on August 24, 2011 at 5:58 pm
unfortunately christians like to determine what is literal and what is symbolic. the scriptures are full of symbolic meanings which christians say are literal…like eternal torture…what a joke.
Posted by truelogic on August 24, 2011 at 6:01 pm
christians spend lots of time posting scriptures to contradict scriptures and that is what he has done. instead of addressing the problems he wants to believe is there by addressing the specific scriptures, they attempt to list more scriptures they think contradict those they don’t like. as if their scriptures therefore prove God is wrong or very confused about what he really means. no wonder we have 1000′s of denominations of the christian religion….they all like to make their own interpretations and they pretend their good doesn’t give a shit if they make their own interpretations.
Posted by Carrie on September 5, 2011 at 12:38 am
For all the scriptures being posted on this page it is amazing that humans use only 2 percent of their brain. The scientific proof you ask is simple… to deny God exists would mean we would know everything. Is there a chance that in the 98% of knowledge you don’t have — there is a God? We have free will to seek, to choose, and to serve.
Posted by truelogic on September 5, 2011 at 8:48 am
God’s word pretty much doesn’t agree with you. which god must be the real one? Scientific proof? maybe you should lookup that term so that you can understand what you are claiming.
If God is OPERATING all in all: operating means to control the function. then it is impossible for you to have free will. if “yet all is of god” then NOTHING is of you.
but like scriptures say…can a leopard change his spots? ouch!
Posted by Dave on September 5, 2011 at 9:13 am
@Carrie
We’re talking about your man-made Bible God(s), nothing else. Serve? Like….. go to war, harass homosexuals or something other? The functioning 2% should be able to figure out how ridiculous the entire mythology is, assuming, of course, that 2% is properly functioning.
ps….you may want to read up on the definition of ‘ scientific proof ‘.
Posted by Carrie on September 5, 2011 at 9:24 am
You failed to answer the question. Is there a chance in the 98% of the knowledge you don’t have there is a God?
Posted by Dave on September 5, 2011 at 10:09 am
Sure there is. There’s also a chance in that 98% that there really is a Tooth Fairy and a Santa as well. Sadly, both are pooh-poohed by adults as they tend to cast off imaginary beings upon reaching the age of reason. Except for one….hmm…. that Je$u$ dude. However, I do believe ‘ Miracle on 34th Street ‘ to be a pretty solid argument for the existence of Santa and ‘ The Exorcist ‘ as likely proof of the existence of Satan and, of course, ‘ The Ten Commandments ‘ is a no-brainer….like….what’s to question? It’s obviously about aliens.
If you’re looking to fill in a little more of that 98%, as we all should be, try reading ‘ The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross ‘.
Posted by Dave on September 5, 2011 at 7:22 pm
And yeah, True has said it often. ‘ Eternal torture ‘ imposed by a loving God for the crime of bringing up questions as to the reality or existence or non-acceptance of Mr. Je$u$ seems a tad extreme. I might wish such a fate on my ex, but really, no….and of course, I’m not a God so I couldn’t find it in my heart to be so vindictive. Zeus dude could do it easily. I suppose They-All might be a little more tempestuous than I. Damn!….God….. why did you give me a brain in the first place? So you could play cat ‘n mouse with it? You’re most certainly a loving sort and I’m also certain you insist I tithe a portion of my income to your emissary’s each week that they may continue on in their quest for truth, justice and support of The American Kiddie-Diddlers way. My freakin’ Chihuahua could easily figure out the absurdity of that one, but she’s not necessarily religiously-inclined, nor cares to be, ….as best I know.
Posted by truelogic on September 7, 2011 at 10:11 am
It has nothing to do with the knowledge I don’t have. there is a chance and the FACT is that none of us know. There is a chance that the tooth fairy is real. but it is unlikely.
Posted by truelogic on September 7, 2011 at 10:13 am
I replied to carrie and then noticed your response. christians often want us to admit something that we already admit. We don’t know if there is a god and yes, there is a chance that there is a god. too bad for them that it is unlikely not their god or any of the other man made gods. the gods created by the superstitious, primitive, uneducated minds of men in the dark ages.
Posted by truelogic on September 7, 2011 at 10:14 am
for anyone to take the advice of primitive man that there is a god is like me taking advice from a cave man on the best approach for brain surgery.
Posted by truelogic on September 7, 2011 at 10:18 am
just as much a chance as there is in the 98 percent of the knowledge you don’t have that buddha is the real God. try reading a bit of history and notice how unlikely it is that jesus is a god that was born to a god (himself) on earth as a god/man and then died for man that he created to do exactly what they do so he could forgive them and live with himself again in heaven. come on, what bull shit.
now, it is very possible there is a god but the fact is you and NO ONE else have proof to demonstrate it is true. not for ANY of the gods.
Posted by Dave on September 7, 2011 at 7:24 pm
It seems to me they dance around that one with the ‘ Holy Trinity ‘ shit. What exactly does that mean,True? I know a number of catholics, not necessarily rabid, but not a single one is able to explain that concept to me in any manner I’m able to understand. Not being the sharpest knife in the drawer, nor the dullest, this average bear has a problem with understanding how a supposedly monotheistic religion can support the existence of three dudes as their overseers. Sounds more like Norse, Greek or Roman mythology to me. If the three dudes are supposed to be one and co-existent, it sounds like they’re worshiping a schizophrenic. Huh?
Posted by truelogic on September 10, 2011 at 9:08 am
I can only explain it based on the the scriptures seems to make clear and maybe what some others attempt to claim. the bible clearly doesn’t support the trinity. i’ll have to make a more complete post on that subject. I actually enjoy it.
Posted by traerenee01 on September 13, 2011 at 10:01 am
I was very upset when I read these comments! GOD to me is an unquestionable GOD. He is real because the bible says he is real. Just because you can not see or feel him physically and i say that lightly because I personally feel him and see him everyday, because i have a personal relationship with GOD! that no man can take away, but back to the point (this may be a bad example) but look at it like this GOD is like air just because you can not see it or feel it doesn’t mean its not there…I mean because without air we cant breath we would be dead same with GOD. I understand that(True Logic) Also known as Sir Isaac Newton does not believe in GOD because he has no proof, but tell me or show me where it is written that there is no GOD????
I ask those of you that are true believers not to let any one question your faith it is as real as the air you breath. The Bible warns us of people like (True Logic) who will make you question our faith and god. And it is our duties as Christians to do the works of god to inform people like (TrueLogic) of what he is facing as a non-believer. GOD is coming the prophesies have almost been fulfilled when every nation is taught the gospel he will come…so go out children of GOD and teach to every man the Gospel so he may come and save us and take us home where we belong.
After I read these comments, I asked GOD what could i say so that people will ignore people like (TrueLogic)! It was so crazy as soon as I got in the car and turned on the radio there was this man speaking about non-believers and explaining why non-believer don’t believe it is because they don’t want to…so no matter what truth is told to them they automatically shut it out because no matter what anyone tells you if you don’t want to make your self believe you wont. So I have a Blog for you (TruLogic) http://forchristandculture.com/ and especially read the one about What Occam’s Razor Can’t Cut. I think you will find it very informative.
So when a person says that—when a person claims he is not going to believe in X (whether X is God, theistic creation, moral reality, the human soul, a free will, or whatever) because no empirical evidence can demonstrate its truth—why muddy the waters with the vacuously overstuffed ontological claim that his unbelief is a result of empirical research and objectivity? Suppose the two choices are either that he has simply decided not to believe, or that he has objectively followed the evidence and therefore has decided not to believe. Given the explanations available, the simpler is that he has simply decided not to believe.
As it turns out, that claim about the skeptic is actually the case—not because Occam’s Razor demands it, of course. The previous paragraph is just an ironic rhetorical jab. Rather, scripture makes it clear that people don’t believe the truth despite its presentation to them precisely because they simply don’t want to. Now that is a simple explanation. God said so. And so it is.
Posted by traerenee01 on September 13, 2011 at 10:03 am
21 Irrefutable Facts of the Second Coming
1) Jesus Himself will come again.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with
the trumpet of God.
1 Thessalonians 4:16
2) Jesus Himself will receive us.
“And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am,
there you may be also.”
John 14:3
3) We will meet Him in the air.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord
in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
4) He will minister to those who are found watchful.
“Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to
you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them.”
Luke 12:37
5) He will return to the earth.
who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was
taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Acts 1:11
6) He will return to the Mount of Olives.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives
Zechariah 14:4
7) He will return in flaming fire.
and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His
mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not
obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:7–8
8) He will come with power and great glory.
“and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
Matthew 24:30
9) He will stand on the earth.
“For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth.”
Job 19:25 (ESV)
10) He will destroy the Antichrist.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth
and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:8
11) He will sit on the throne of His glory.
“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the
throne of His glory.”
Matthew 25:31
12) He will be given the throne of David.
“He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne
of His father David.”
Luke 1:32
13) He will be given the nations.
Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your
possession.
Psalm 2:8
14) He will gather all nations and judge them.
“All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a
shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.”
Matthew 25:32
15) He will reign on the earth.
“Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord, “that I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; a
King shall reign and prosper, and execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.”
Jeremiah 23:5
16) He will be given the kingdoms of this world.
“The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall
reign forever and ever!”
Revelation 11:15
17) He will be given dominion.
“Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His
kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed.”
Daniel 7:14
18) All who are in the graves will hear His voice.
“Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice”
John 5:28
19) Every eye will see Him.
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him.
Revelation 1:7
20) Every knee will bow.
“Look to Me, and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn
by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every
knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath.”
Isaiah 45:22–23
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under
the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:9–11
21) We can hasten the coming of the Lord.
looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God
2 Peter 3:12
All scripture is from the New King James Version unless otherwise noted.
Posted by truelogic on September 13, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Open the dictionary and look up the word fact. You haven’t provided a single fact. I could do that same for any holy book and then claim it is fact. pure ignorance.
Posted by truelogic on September 13, 2011 at 7:51 pm
i can look in other holy books and they say another God is the real god. that doesn’t make it true. i can look in the christian bible and prove through scripture that NO ONE will go to heal and EVERYONE will be saved.
no, god didn’t give you a special message on the radio. you imagined god answered your prayer. just like a muslim believes allah answers their prayer. no difference.
Are you going to believe in allah and do as their holy book states? No? then the very same comments you make towards me as an unbeliever apply to you with respect to the muslim faith, or the buddhist or hindu…etc. NONE Of them can demonstrate their God is real or any less false than your God.
scripture makes it PERFECTLY clear that NO ONE can have faith if it is not given to them, NO ONE seeks god, NO one can say jesus is lord, you can do NOTHING but for God. so think about your statements before you look even more ridiculous should I provide a never ending number of scriptures to support my claims. “yet all is of God” and “God is operating all in all”. to operate is to “control the function”. think before you hit the submit button.
Posted by truelogic on September 13, 2011 at 7:54 pm
that fact that you need to state it is from a king james version is a clue to the problem. written by men, numerous editions, and edits made my men. in fact, some books had information added 200 years after the death of jesus. many of the books were not written until 50 years after jesus died. many gods before jesus told the same story…born under a star, visited by 3 wise men, given gifts, walked on water, called the savior or men, the son, healed, had a mother named mary and a father named joseph. do some historical research and you will see the truth. your god is a copy of others before him. that is all.
Posted by Dave on September 14, 2011 at 12:36 am
Good grief. While you’re looking up ‘fact’ in the dictionary, look up ‘irrefutable’ as well.
Posted by Dave on September 14, 2011 at 1:12 am
Fact. The First Council of Nicaea (325 AD) was convened by Emperor Constantine to end the persistent disruptive squabbling amongst the mushroom cult as to the nature and divinity of Jesus.( Seems a few hundred years after the fact but…what the heck ) Yeah…..Je$u$ was officially voted in as the ‘Son of God’ at that time. Everyone benefits.
There might be a similar council a few hundred years from now and they might just hand the ‘crown of thorns’ over to L. Ron.
Oy,…Idiots, all.
Posted by Dave on September 14, 2011 at 8:19 pm
traerenee01
Just what is it about these so-called ‘scriptures’ ( sure… the word does lend a certain gravitas to the nature of the writings ) that prompts you and multitudes of others to blindly believe in them without even the remotest possibility you might ever consider them to be anything more than mere fairy tales? I’ve never understood that.
On the other hand, I do know a few folks who walk into a voting booth at every election-cycle opportunity and vote a straight Dem or Rep ticket without even the slightest clue as to who any of the candidates might be on either side, nor their stance on any particular issue. Same thing, I suppose.
Posted by CRA on October 18, 2011 at 9:11 am
Believe…belief…harmony…hope…faith…I have been baptized presbyterian as an infant, tried to reclaim my marriage by being baptized catholic, and reborn as a baptist. Currently, I attend ‘church’ with my wheel-chair bound relative in a captive situation at a nursing home.
I believe WE (collectively) are brought up within or without ‘church’ and then as adults choose to find that inner harmony…happiness…and because WE are adults…we question EVERYTHING…Don’t worry…BE HAPPY!
Posted by j t on October 25, 2011 at 4:35 pm
What is your goal? All I see is bitterness.
I go to this church and I can tell you that our Pastor is a good man. I can also tell you that since we started tithing, things have been better for us. Be it from the joy of giving, or directly from God himself, we have been blessed.
Posted by truelogic on October 26, 2011 at 7:38 am
I am sure that all you see is bitterness. Maybe open your mind and search for truth? Since you started tithing, things have been better? Really? Therefore that means what? Ever since I denounced christianity and stopped being a christian, things have improved for me 100 percent. That doesn’t prove God is real or not real. So what is your point? Churches are nothing but a business that suck in billions while making other feel guilty that giving MONEY to the church is scriptural. It isn’t. Churches all over the usa are empty during most of the week…what…95 percent of the time? Yet people are dying from hunger. Your Jesus wouldn’t support such nonsense and there isn’t a “christian” that follows Jesus. They think they do but none of them do as he did or as he clearly instructed. Pastors like yours are some of the most evil of the bunch. I can promise you that he would never do as Jesus did. He like the money, the power, the attention and for him to do as jesus did would require a sacrifice. He couldn’t do it and neither could you. But enjoy all your worldly things that cost you what would be large amounts of money to a hungry child.
Christianity is a crock of shit and Christian no nothing of truth or being honest. They are taught to lie from birth. Taught to tell others that an invisible man with magic powers is real and that he loves you, BUT if you don’t believe like you are told to believe you will be tortured for eternity.
Posted by Marty Baker on November 16, 2011 at 12:41 am
It is truly ashame that you take the mag he preaches and you cut it up and don’t take the true biblical principals and lay them out. Pastor Morris doesn’t want your money, God wants your money pastor Morris and other fine churches like gateway church use that to further the kingdom of God. You are so bent on thinking he wants your money you can’t see the fact that it’s not yours anyway. All of it belongs to God, he wants 10% but you get to keep 90%.
He wasn’t being condescending either, I was there he was trying to relay a point. But in your eyes I’m prob one of those dumb idiots, but I learned to give to God long before going to Gateway, Pastor Morris lays it out in a truly biblical manner. But you prob don’t believe the bible either . Just a bunch of fairy tales. As Christ said large is the path to distruction but narrow is the path to eternal life.
Posted by Francois on November 29, 2011 at 11:51 pm
What do you belief?In nothing?No God?what do you belief what is goiing to happen when you die?
Posted by truelogic on December 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm
I don’t believe in any of the Gods. As others have stated, I believe in one less God than the Christian. We are pretty sure that when I die I will no longer be on earth and I will be made back into dust. Fact is that we don’t know if there is something else but evidence points to the Christian God being a copy of other Gods and figures before him. evidence points to all of the Gods being just as fake as the others.
Posted by truelogic on December 2, 2011 at 2:00 pm
everyone believes in something and likely many things. i don’t believe in the tooth fairy or santa or any of the Gods. I do believe in love, life, death, science, etc.
Posted by Dave on December 2, 2011 at 2:10 pm
One of the chief crackpots at the Vatican, I believe he works in the ‘Exorcism’ department, has just come out and declared both ‘Yoga’ and ‘Harry Potter’ to be of Satanic origin. What’s he up to? Sounds like a major ‘make-work’ project for himself.
Posted by Jayne on December 8, 2011 at 5:13 pm
So, Truelogic is it? So, you believe in science you say? Well, science has discovered various fossils of seashells and sealife on some of the highest mountains in the world. Explain that one to me, if there wasn’t a world wide flood at one time. You can also explain to me, how in the book of Job, God talks about the earth as a sphere hanging on nothing. The book of Job is a proven Historical text, and thousands of years old. If Job just made it up, how did he know the earth was like a sphere? We’ve only known this, for a fact, for a short time, considering the expanse of time. It is because GOD was talking TO Job, and Job was writing it down. But you know what? There will always be those like yourself serving the anti-christ spirit without knowing that you are. At least I know that by choice I serve my God, and am not deceived by Him. Whereas you don’t even realize that you are being used by Satan therefore YOU are HIS pawn. He moves you as he pleases in a negative way against the christians. You don’t really have the freedom that you think you do, because he is controlling and manipulating your actions, just as you try to say that my God controls and manipulates me. The difference is that I choose to follow my God. If you don’t stand with God, you are against him, so is Satan. So any spirit against God is the anti-christ spirit controlled by the greatest deceiver of all. So you will always carry this spirit, until you surrender your own spirit to God. You will always be fighting Him. The sad part is, you condemn God more than He would ever condemn you. Read the next verse after John 3:16 – number 17. He didn’t come to condemn us, but to forgive and save us. Save us from who? Ourselves basically. We will be our own annialator if he doesn’t come back and clean up the mess we so called “wise” humans have made with the precious earth that he created. Just look around, do you disagree that the world is in a mess and getting messier everyday? Look up, your redemption draws near. Jesus IS coming back, and when he does, you WILL bow your knee and confess him as lord. You just might not like the outcome on your part if you don’t know who he is before he gets here. Because he will have no problem saying “depart from me, I never knew you”.
Posted by TheDevilsEnemy on December 8, 2011 at 10:21 pm
As a Christian, the Holy Spirit lets us know whose flaky and whose genuine when it comes to The Bible.
Yesua is our friend with benefits. Psalm 68:19, 103:2. They’re there for the taking. Salvation, healing, health, victory.
Posted by Jayne on December 9, 2011 at 1:22 pm
If God didn’t create the world and us, how did we get here? I guess you buy into evolution or that we were put here by aliens. I would really rather think that I was made by a God than that I came from monkeys or some freaky alien. Besides, if you really look at it, believing that we came from monkeys or aliens seems way more “out there” than what I believe. You just want to have an excuse, without conscience, about the way you are and non-believe.
Posted by truelogic on December 11, 2011 at 6:20 pm
If god put us here, which god was it? can you demonstrate that it was your God and not any other God? oh, you think that if you can’t explain something, therefore some God did it? and if your god did create the world and us, then he also created child molesters and rapists. child killers and torturers. “i create evil”. yeah, those are God’s words. he watches when a child is raped and he decides to do nothing as the child cries for help and then the child is killed. because your god is so full of love? your god is a joke, just like the others. you clearly don’t understand evolution based on what you’ve stated. you might try to educate yourself before you start attempting to debate someone like me. I know scripture better than you and science. and if you are going to make a claim about science, then provide the facts to back it up.
you live a lie, your god is a lie and yet you lie to yourself each day and tell yourself he is real. not a single shred of evidence to backup your claim. just like no one that believes in one of the many other Gods is able to backup their claims. funny how buddha was the first god to walk on water and then your god copied that act many years later. in face, your god copied a lot of other gods but i guess you don’t know much about history either. really, get a life.
Posted by truelogic on December 11, 2011 at 6:21 pm
pretty easy to make any claim and then not back it up. why is it that religious types love to make claim after claim after claim and NEVER back it up. prove your statements. i’ve heard buddhist, muslims, and many others make claim after claim and guess what? they can’t back up their bull shit either. why? because it a lie.
Posted by Dave on December 11, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Jayne….the ‘Book of Job’ is no more an historical text than ‘Harry Potter’ might be 1,000 years from now……why do you grant it’s authors (yes, there’s more than one) so much gravitas? The ‘Bible’ is a work of fiction, entirely. Originally, it was used to sublimate illiterate people, eons ago. If it’s any comfort, there IS an after-life , but it has nothing to do with your Judeao-Christian malarkey. Sorry, I don’t believe in any form of ‘ugga-bugga’ resembling the supernatural…… least of all images on a banana or cracker. You do, apparently.
Aliens, of which I’m suspect, appear a far more logical ‘creator’ than your ‘God’. Sorry.
Posted by truelogic on December 11, 2011 at 6:55 pm
aliens are impossible because the earth is the center of the universe and aliens don’t have enough room to land their spaceships on the flat earth. right Christians? that just shows you how ignorant science is…they don’t even know the planet is flat….wow.
Posted by Dave on December 11, 2011 at 7:03 pm
The aliens live in secret underwater bases. C’mon, True! You’re not that naive!!
Posted by Dave on December 11, 2011 at 7:12 pm
That was funny. “More people become Catholic each year”. Obviously, not enough kiddie-diddlers on the planet. We need to beef-up! Oh…that was a joke….honest!
Posted by truelogic on December 11, 2011 at 7:22 pm
but if they swim too deep they will fall through the earth. just ask any Christian.
Posted by Dave on December 11, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Xtians don’t appear that well-informed as to geography, so I’d likely be wasting my time. I tried to explain, once, to a Xtian the “Great Flood” was unlikely as there simply wasn’t enough H20 on the planet to account for the event. His response? ‘ You didn’t account for the ground water’.
I sincerely admire those trying to teach chimps, somewhere in Africa, the English language. Not much success from this vantage point.
Posted by Jayne on December 12, 2011 at 1:05 pm
No matter what you say to me, it will not change my mind, heart, or soul toward The One True God YHWH/YESHUA. You will not understand either why I believe and worship Him as my/our creator. I will not debate scripture with you, as I believe I never did in the first place, just stated my opinion and belief. You’ll go your way and I will go mine. To waste your time on worrying about my belief is really, I feel, more ignorant than you say I am for believing in my God. I really do have more and better things to do with my time. Like praying for you, and Dave, that The Holy Spirit (that you flatly deny exists), will draw and convict you unto The Father’s love and compassion and forgivness. Which you cannot, and will not know unless you have the understanding. Which you will never have unless your will, mind, soul, and spirit are submitted unto Him. About the children you speak of. You never seem to mention abortion, do you agree with it? You talk about the evil things that are done to children but never mention the mass genocide of thousands/millions if babies in this manner. Well all children are blessings from God and thankfully when they die as babies, or young children, they go to Him. Those who were responsible for their death, or rape, or whatever tramatic things were inflicted on them will, be held accountable for their actions one day. Those individuals have free-will, just as you or I do. They choose evil so, they do evil things. Those who choose good, do good things. Not all unbelievers are bad, just as not all believers are good. I know you will comment on this, but I will no longer answer you. You
and Dave have a good time roasting this comment, as I know you will, mindlessly wasting your time. Good-bye, and God Save Your Souls.
Posted by Dave on December 12, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Jayne…..personally, I believe in a higher power. I think we’re eternal entities which evolve through any number of stages, life being but one of them. Mass/energy, conversion theories, NDE reports and my own personal experience, among other things, have brought me to that conclusion.
You may wish to believe what you read in the Bible as ‘the word of God’ but you’re assumption of such is not taking into account the actual recorded history of the document and how it came to be. No-one here is trying to ‘roast’ you, only point out that the Bible itself is a fallacious and contradictory piece of work and, as such, could only have been conceived by men. It is therefore not “Holy” in any respect and should not be regarded as being so. If a perfect God had a hand in writing that document he really should go back to God-school. True could probably rhyme any number of ridiculous contradictions off the top of his head…….I’d have to look them up.
I’m not mindlessly wasting my time here. Just hoping that I might make a wee bit of difference in the mindset. Y’see, there are phony bible-thumpers out there like Rick Perry who might be in a position to run this country. That matters. Stopping him matters more. Do you see the religion connection? You know, darn well, one of his first executive orders would have something to do with suppressing those ” Icky Icky Gay People”.
Are you aware that George H.W. Bush actually said that atheists should not be allowed to vote? You can look it up. Makes you wonder just how he and his family REALLY feel about them niggas, doesn’t it?
Jayne……hoping you and yours have a safe and enjoyable holiday season!
-Dave
Posted by Jayne on December 13, 2011 at 12:18 pm
I really wasn’t going to reply, b-u-t, you say you want to keep people like Rick Perry out of the Presidency? If you haven’t noticed, he’s way behind in the polls, and will likely never be a candidate for the Presidency. What about our current President? He says he’s a Christian, but he lies. He no more believes in Christianity than you do. He IS a Muslim, whether he admits it or not. So it’s O.K. to have a muslim as President, but not a Christian? Wonder why we’re having so many problems in this country? He doesn’t support Israel either, like he says he does. He’s a blatant liar. He’s working towards the one world order just like the rest of the past Presidents. Be they Dem. or Rep., they have all been part of it. Ever heard of the Bilderberg group? They are all deciding what is best for ALL OF US. Including you. Do you think socialism is the way to go? Our country has been in the beginning stages of socialism for many years now. Obama’s just trying to finish it, put the icing on the cake, so to speak. Regarding your comment on the “poor defenseless gays”. I lived the gay lifestyle for 17 years. I was deceived into thinking ” I was born this way”. Not true. I CHOSE that lifestyle, and I CHOSE to leave it. Anyone else can to, if they WANT to. About your comment concerning George W. Bush, I’m sure it’s true. I feel that I will have NO ONE to vote for in the next election.
To you and yours, a very Merry CHRISTmas, and a Happy New Year.
Posted by Dave on December 13, 2011 at 1:42 pm
“He IS a Muslim, whether he admits it or not.”
Whoa!….he is, in fact, an atheist….which I suppose might be the same thing as a Muslim to a hardcore Xtian. Dancing around that issue is paramount to his public persona. By the way, he’s been photographed on several occasions drinking a beer. Islam forbids the consumption of alcohol, in any form, so that might settle the issue.
Just because Perry is way behind in the polls, at present, means little. Do you recall this one?
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jacklail.com/blog/images/DeweyTruman.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jacklail.com/blog/archives/2008/01/dewey-beats-truman.html&h=370&w=504&sz=28&tbnid=VhmOscfW9XvrBM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=140&zoom=1&docid=NcVzerb9lH9lPM&sa=X&ei=QZDnTtnHGYHfiAL525GDBw&ved=0CEMQ9QEwAw&dur=10565
The media/polls cannot be relied upon for the truth on any issue. That we have to seek ourselves.
A lesbian couple, dear friends of mine, were camping in the woods a number of years ago. They encountered something which they initially perceived as a sign from God. Perhaps, at the time, they were questioning their relationship and trying to confront whatever issues gay folks deal with. What really occurred was something quite extraordinary. For several minutes, nothing other than what could be described as an alien craft, hovered over them. It dropped ‘sprinkles’ to the ground….a common occurrence in many sightings. Well, this was long before the UFO craze had taken root and at the time they believed God was trying to message them. The message they derived was that their lesbianism was wrong. These ladies still live together but attest that they’ve not had sex in 20 years. Not something you’d casually lie about.
As well, I have a gay nephew. I don’t think it was a ‘choice’ he ever made. He is what he is and has been so since the moment he could walk.
It seems that being ‘bi’ is a trendy thing for kids these days, almost on a par with ‘tatt’s', which I find particularly amusing. I’m trying to work up a skit that plays on a bunch of 80-year-old grannies who all have that ‘license-plate’ tattoo over their butts. Gotta be some humor there, somewhere.
I like you, Jayne…….I’ve just renewed my life-time pass to Area 51 ( guest included ) and am wondering what to do with my invitation to this year’s Bilderberg Conference, ( formal attire required…eww! ) so if you don’t have any set plans, let me know. Maybe we can hookup!
Posted by Dave on December 13, 2011 at 9:26 pm
PS… I’m not a US citizen, so I’m not entitled to vote for anyone. However, I do give a hoot, in the big picture, and have several US voting-types under my command. They work for beer. God Bless America! Where else could you acquire seven votes for nothing, aside from the occasional Heineken?
They don’t give a damn about politics, or anything else! That’s why it’s called Amerika!! I love the place! Trying to change it but my circumstances are tricky. The marriage thing, y’know.
Posted by Dave on December 13, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Criminal, as well…..apparently.
Posted by Dave on December 16, 2011 at 2:14 am
No response..eh? Must be wonderful being able to live your life in a Walt Disney movie with only ‘good fairies’ circling about. Happy ending to all!…eventually! Not quite the case. Millions of starving children around the world. I’m certain I can speak for True here as well ( I think he’s off surfing with the family, at the moment ) in saying that not only Xtians, but Muslins and Joos are the very worst when it comes to dealing with the needy of the world. They’d all much more be involved in donating funds to whatever military-industrial complex serves their agenda. Screw the kids. The Joos are the worst as they entirely control the American sheeple through their elected leaders.
There was NO Jesus! The Joos invented and killed ‘Him’ only as a means of propagating their own existence.They would have been wiped out centuries ago were it not for this mythology. There are reams of evidence to support this argument. Not a single living Xtian would care to hear it.
Posted by Jayne on December 16, 2011 at 10:33 am
Hey Dave, some of us “True Citizens” have better things to do with our time than just answer a blog to a “Non-Citizen”, who seems bent on coming into OUR country, and try to demean some of the thoughts and values that made this country what it came to be. So just where are you from, if you care to say? It’s people like you who “USE” our American system for their own ill gain, at the expense of others, and think that it is funny that you can! I don’t believe you really have a right to the freedoms I have, because I WAS born here. My ancestors came here in the 1600′s, LEGALLY, I might add. They contributed to bettering this country, rather than trying to tear it down. They appreciated the fact that they could leave their old country and come to the “LAND OF THE FREE”. If you don’t like the way this country is going, why don’t you go back where you came from? This country gives people the chance to get ahead, and I believe that there are a fair amount of those individuals, who really appreciate our country, JUST THE WAY IT IS!!! It’s those
coming here doing what you’re doing, that HAS literally SCREWED it up! Go back to where you came from Dave, maybe it’s much better there. Just why did you come here in the first place? Oh by the way, can you tell me where these so called “reams of evidence” are, so that I might check for myself. Probably something that someone made up, just like you say the Bible is. I guess you discredit the Dead Sea Scrolls as well. If you do, you are more ignorant than I thought you to be. Oh well, they say “ignorence is bliss”.
Posted by Dave on December 16, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Jayne….I own a small, modest home. I pay exorbitant property taxes ( $4600 per year ) so the kids at the elementary school down the street can have a well-maintained football field, pool and tennis courts. I’ve taken in an elderly gentleman (87) for whom I cook meals, run errands and the like. I’ve known him for 25 years. ( a Republican…eww! )
I came here 25 years ago because my wife developed rheumatoid arthritis. Upon arriving in the dry, desert climate her symptoms lessened and the disease has not progressed any further. We didn’t either, as we divorced not long after.
Once or twice a month I donate my truck and my time driving around picking up items for the local Goodwill. A friend of mine is the manager there. I also participate in the Dream League. It’s an organization which purchases equipment for inner-city kids that they might enjoy playing baseball. We also cart them around to different playing fields each week.
Originally, my ancestors settled in Connecticut. They fled north during the Revolutionary War. So you know where I’m from.
I’m so sorry for screwing your country up.
Posted by Dave on December 16, 2011 at 4:26 pm
By the way, Jayne……Thomas Jefferson was quite specific when drafting documents which ensured the separation of church and state. Yes, that is a wonderful thing about this country. Certain politicos, Perry, Bachmann et al. would prefer those lines be blurred. Regardless of their standing in the polls, they are the true enemies within. Not myself…or Jose, regardless of how Joe Arpaio feels or the passing of HB56… which has virtually destroyed the economy of Alabama.
‘The Excited States of America’ is a common reference outside the country. I was born one mile across the border, yet, I would volunteer for the US Armed Services should a dire circumstance arise. I’m likely too old by now but, in such a case, I don’t think “get the hell back where you’re from!” would be an appropriate response from a uniformed US official.
I do have a fun story regarding that type of situation. Many years ago a friend of mine’s mother bought a condo in Florida. Retirement situation. Well, naturally she had some furniture to be moved so my buddy and I loaded up the U-Haul with her stuff and headed south for the border. We pulled up and the guard ( imagine Jack Nicholson…on his very worst day ) harangued us for quite a while, for whatever reason I have no idea…er…maybe it was the long hair. So he denies us entry into the US after the strip search. Well, as we’re turning around with our little trailer at the checkpoint, another guard ( imagine Don Knotts ) comes running out and sticks his head in the window and says…” Guys, he’s off at 4 0′clock..just come back after then”. Well we did, and had a great time on our cruise to Florida.
Back to the original point (sorry…..I just love retelling that story) ….Jayne. Just because I’m agnostic ( that is not an atheist ) does not equate my beliefs to a conviction that I would attempt to tear this country down. I luv the place and it’s good citizens. If you would truly prefer my sorry white ass kicked out of here please say so. If you’re REALLY serious, I will gladly provide you my personal info, that a squad of ICE agents might show up and put me in cuffs. I don’t mind as long as there’s some half-decent food on the plane. I am gathering material for a book. That might make for an interesting chapter.
What to do with my two US citizen chihuahuas would be an issue.
Posted by Dave on December 17, 2011 at 2:29 am
Jayne….sorry, I’m unemployed and bored for the next couple of weeks, spending xmas alone as well…so forgive me. One more point. “Just the way it is” should always be open/available for improvement. Nothing I can do there as I’m not ‘legal’ and live, more or less, in the shadows. I wish it weren’t so. I’ve been offered the ‘contract’ marriage scenario on a few occasions, but don’t have the stomach for it.
Most importantly…….the best to you and yours during the season! I only wish I were so lucky.
Posted by Dave on December 17, 2011 at 9:35 am
More stuff……http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-12-09/ron-paul-the-45th-president-of-the-united-states/
It must be clear by now that I’m relentless in my quest for truth, justice…….and screwing up your country! You couldn’t have passed along a ruder insult! Yeah….merry xmas…again.
Posted by Dave on December 17, 2011 at 8:55 pm
I’m thoroughly disgusted that women are be-headed in Saudi Arabia. I’m just as thoroughly disgusted that some young black man in Alabama is still hanged from a tree by racist, yokel, hate-mongering bigots/idiots. Xtians all. Yeah…..I’m a world-citizen…not alone… and none of us respect any of your borders, across the planet. Borders create wars….kind of simple, isn’t it? We’re a growing lot and feel free to locate anywhere we like. If you’re so darn righteous…relocate to anywhere YOU like…and make a difference! How about heading back to wherever your family came from in the 1600′s? You’re not welcome here and you’re obviously some Nazi types ( Dutch or German) who’ve attempted to infiltrate Just don’t expect any form of ‘social assistance’ as NONE of us do in the US. It’s impossible to acquire it without appropriate ID regardless of what Fox News (oxymoron) lies to you about concerning illegal immigrants receiving any form of benefits. They don’t. I pay. I’ve never once considered the possibility of getting a dime back. In any form.
Posted by Dave on December 18, 2011 at 3:26 am
Jayne…Jayne…runaway!! You’re quite right, True! They show up for a brief period, can’t handle the heat and get out of the kitchen the moment they feel they’ve made some significantly smarmy remark. Yeesh!
Posted by truelogic on December 20, 2011 at 11:00 am
I don’t believe it is up to you to determine if you are a true christian or if others are not. but then again, christians like you like to think you have this power of your god to claim whom is or whom is not a christian. arent’ you special.
this land of the free required that Christians go around claiming indians were not real christians and then they slaughtered them. it was the land of the indians until our “christian” nation slaughtered man, women and children, with love, to take it from the american indians. gotta love the warped sense of morals real christians think they have.
Posted by truelogic on December 20, 2011 at 11:05 am
it doesn’t matter if obama is a president or not and it is not up to you to determine if he is or is not. that is your God’s job…isn’t it. oh yeah, you are a very special real christian that your god gave the power to judge if others are. good for you. you are a bit more delusional than most christians and your superstition is no more real than any other superstition. look up the word delusional and superstition and notice how it perfectly fits the christian.
you are an idiot if you think all gays choose to be gay. maybe you choose to be gay and yes i believe you were fooled into following it for many years. just like you were fooled into believing your specific form of god is the real one. you apparently choose to be straight and you have that right just like everyone else has the right to choose to be gay. none of your fucking business and nothing your god can do about it. if you don’t like freedom of choice that our soldiers fought and died to give us then move to a religious based country that doesn’t allow freedoms. stop trying to take away our freedoms just because you are a spoiled, delusional, quack that can’t handle others living in freedom. you sound like a terrorist…always hating freedom. get a life.
Posted by truelogic on December 20, 2011 at 11:08 am
you lived a gay lifestyle and because you lived it and were fooled into it, that is exactly how it applies to everyone else that is gay. wow, you are so delusional that you think everyone else faces the exact same situation as you. wow, you are so special.
you can’t choose anything. according to your God he is the one that chooses and EVERYTHING is according to HIS WILL. if a person is gay, it is the potter that formed the vessel for honor and the one for dishonor. so you claim to be a christian but you ignore the words of your God or just choose to disbelieve some of them and apply only the ones you can use to hate others and freedom of choice.
Posted by Dave on December 20, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Welcome back ,True! I was just perusing a few favorite Einstein quotes and thought you might like to post them on your blog.
‘I do not know how the Third World War will be fought, but I can tell you what they will use in the Fourth — rocks!’
‘I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one.’
‘The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. … For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything ‘chosen’ about them.’
‘Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.’
‘The hardest thing in the world to understand is income taxes.’
Posted by Dave on December 20, 2011 at 2:43 pm
And to all world leaders, present and future, he wrote: ” You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war. ” ( Not like he was a genius, or anything. duh.)
Posted by Dave on December 20, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Jayne has scooted! You have a talent for that True! and I did my best to fill your corporate shoes during your absence. She was a little spooked once the tables were turned and she had to confront issues she wasn’t expecting.
Peace to and yours, my friend.
Posted by truelogic on December 21, 2011 at 9:50 am
I guess i need to soften my approach but I truly find religion disgusting and those that claim their god is factually true/real. we should figure out how to allow multiple posts/sign-ins on my site so that you and hpjunior can signin to true logic and post whatever you want.
Posted by truelogic on December 21, 2011 at 9:57 am
i’ll have to agree with you. when religious types have to confront the issues/facts, they do get spooked and run away. they always give us other reasons but it is clear it’s because they haven’t any facts to backup their magical buddy claims. I’m currently in another very religious state and having a great time with my son getting on the nerves or the religious types. my son and i were driving around and we both had to take a piss…mostly my son. it just so happened we stopped at a place to turn around and i noticed the sign “the holy land”. it was an amusement park for religious people. the place we turned around was a closed entrance that directed us to a different location. so it was a bit private. yeah, we both pissed on the holy land.
Posted by Dave on December 22, 2011 at 4:54 pm
True and hp! I’m certain you’re both in a quandary as to what to get me for xmas, so here’s my wish-list!
Posted by Jayne on December 25, 2011 at 11:11 pm
No Dave I didn’t run away, just not interested in your nonsensical amusings, between yourself and truelogic. My life is my life, and I don’t really care to share anymore of it. Since you just seem bent on deriding what I’ve shared with you anyway. I’ve done my share of donating time to the less fortunate as you have. So don’t even go there! At least I’m here and doing it as a real citizen. I understand where you’re coming from now, since you believe you are a global citizen. You are for globalization, I take it. If that’s the case, then you will never understand me because I’m not for it at all, even though I know that this is the way we are headed. I WILL die for my faith, if that’s what it takes to keep from taking any kind of mark from a world leader. You go ahead and blindly follow the blind leaders. You’ll all most likely end up in the same place. But I won’t mention where that is, since you don’t believe in it anyway. So good-bye Dave and Truelogic. Have a nice life. It’s time I got on with mine. You most likely won’t hear from me again, because as I said before, I do have a life with friends and family who care about doing good for others without any praise or pay.
Posted by Dave on December 26, 2011 at 12:20 am
Dear Jayne,
Globalization has already arrived. There’s nothing you nor I can do about it. You’re well-entitled to march down Main St. waving the flag every July 4th…… as long as you’re pushing a wheel-chair holding a vet who’s had his legs blown off that you might be able to bake apple-pie in the comfort of your cozy little home.
How dare you! So you’re a ‘real citizen’ are you? Of what? I AM a global citizen and as such am allowed to live anywhere in the world I like. The only caveat being, I’m required to do the best I can to assist anyone I can and I strive for peace among men. That’s all there is.
I can’t recall that True or I have ever requested ” praise or pay” for anything. You made that up! You don’t appear to know what ‘globalization’ means. The day they shut down the lawn-mower factory in your hometown of Gopher Bite, Montana….please get back to us, as you’ll have a much better grip on the issue than you currently have from listening to Rush and Hannity.
ps…..it’s ‘musings’….not ‘amusings’.
Posted by truelogic on December 27, 2011 at 6:15 am
Jayne is so accustomed to lying to herself about her little god that it is natural for her to lie about not running away…as she runs away.
I would promise you that her and her friends do not do as jesus did and do not come close. if they really followed and loved their god, they would do it. proving they really care more about their own lives and jobs that they would never give it up to spend their life doing for others in need. they need their computers so they can blog and they need to pay their other bills for their many worldly items/goods. yet they pat themselves on the back like they really do something for others. what a joke. so many of these religious types that believe their god is the one true god and no other god can be real, are so full of shit that this is the only way they can make themselves feel good in life. die for their faith? so do terrorist that attacked on 911….pretty fucking sick if you ask me. Not a single christian does as jesus instructed yet they claim to follow jesus. NONE follow him. NONE seek him. NONE choose him but they all claim they do…what a joke. claim they follow jesus as they get into their car and drive to their church and then go out and have a sunday lunch while kids suffer and die while the christians gas money could feed them for a month or more. so many christians in this world and yet we still have war, which christians supported with torture and it was all based on lies. christians by the millions and yet millions of children die for lack of food and clean water. oh yeah, christians think jesus would be proud of them but the truth is, they know they are NOT the few but to avoid talking about it, they run away and make some other lame excuse for doing so. the end of the christian religion is on the way and it becomes clearer and clearer each day. Christians know it but the most ignorant of them still claim, I will die for my faith as they vote for war and torture or as they blow up an abortion clinic or kill an abortion doctor or maybe one of their kind just crashes a plane into a building. please don’t come back here jayne unless you can find a single shred of evidence to show your god is any more real than any other god. I PROMISE you that you can not.
Posted by truelogic on December 27, 2011 at 6:21 am
ever notice how christians will claim that we don’t know god so therefore we can’t understand them or because we are a global citizen we just somehow have not ability to understand them? hog wash! she doesn’t know what it means to follow jesus or do as he stated. she is so weak that she can’t do it. it isn’t that hard, if you truly believe someone gave their life for you and you claim to die for your faith…shit, it should be super easy. but hey, she needs all her worldly things but will make excuses to make herself feel good. god must think she is one of the few that are so blessed and wonderful that she gets to go right up to heaven. but then billions of christians each think they are one of the few….what a joke. ignoring all scripture and making shit up so they can feel good about themselves for actually doing nothing to better this world.
lets pray, that is a way to fix things and yet not have to get off my fat ass. i feel so good now..i am awesome…praise me. what a crock
Posted by Xander on December 28, 2011 at 3:35 pm
“Jesus and even had a mother and father names mary and joseph. and many other similiarities long before jesus was invented.”
which religion claims that? curious as i haven’t heard that from you before.
Posted by Dave on December 30, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Xander….one only has to read “The Epic of Gilgamesh” ( c.2500 BC ) to understand that all religions are mythology. Created by men in an attempt to make sense of the world around them. The Jesus hoax has been perpetrated on numerous cultures throughout time immemorial. Not many have survived. Zoroastrianism is a notable exception and if you read up on it you’ll discover the similarities to the ‘Christ’ fable are uncanny.
If they can hang in there long enough, one day, say 500 years from now, Scientologists will convene at ‘The Council of Cleveland’ and officially declare L. Ron Hubbard as a deity…..the Son of God. That’s how religion works…and always has.
Posted by Dave on December 30, 2011 at 6:35 pm
An addendum:
I don’t believe in borders of any kind. Whether they be county, state, provincial or international. Not a one does anything other than reinforce the most tribalistic human instincts. Were the entire world open for exploration for every good person born onto this planet without the need for visas, immigration quotas, ethnic identity and every other militant restriction you can imagine, there would be a total end to war, as we know it. We’re still no better than chattering monkeys in trees. I hope there is such a thing as reincarnation. I would love to come back when humanity finally gets it together.
At present, allowing religidiots to get even the teensiest foothold in the political forum, of this, the most powerful country in the world, is suicidal. We’ve already experienced the nonsense of a ‘W’ playing up to the religious-right. Torture? Invasions? Gay-bashing? Screw the homeless?
I’m not a ‘citizen’ but I do love this country for it’s majesty, beauty and history. Shame I’m not allowed to make more of a contribution by virtue of being born one mile across ‘a border’.
Posted by Christina on February 15, 2012 at 4:15 pm
It is pretty amazing how you attack and ignore the experiences and encounters anyone attempts to share with you yet you call them blind and ignorant. You are not an honest skeptic. An honest skeptic actually listens and takes into account what’s being said; they actually collect information and study it without twisting the facts they find. They actually consider. You are simply full of hate for something you have no genuine experience with. Why don’t you take the time to research (HONESTLY) the history of the bible and see how accurate it actually is. Take a look at how many HONEST skeptics have come to faith when they took the time to study it (not a surface look in ignorance but actual study) and were amazed at what they found. Study the prophecies of the Bible, study the proven dates of when it’s prophecies were first recorded and the dates (hundreds of years later) of the fufillment of these prophecies.
Your arguments are out of ignorance and anger and are more easily dismantled with actual facts than you think but the most important counter to you is something that you don’t understand. When people are telling you about their personal encounters with the one and only true GOD you keep missing the point. You think this is an argument about your ideals versus another’s but it is really someone trying to share something that is not based on an opinion or distant imagination (or blind arrogance) but a real experience with a real GOD. You assume that everyone that says this is a liar or crazy. Of course, that’s not even logical that all the testimonies in this world about HIM are all lies or delusions…you can think better than that….can’t you? Do you really think that all the Christians that have been martyred do it for a lie? Are you sure you are not the one who is blinded by hate and ignorance. No matter what you say it has no lasting affect on someone who knows their GOD personally. You can scream all day long and label and insult but it doesn’t change THE FACT that I and so many in this world are having experiences with GOD that you know nothing about. You are yelling and hating over what you think is a competition of ideas and opinions and theories while I am living the true reality. I KNOW OF WHOM I SPEAK. What do you know that isn’t just some idea in your head or someone else’s that you tell yourself is true? There are things going on in this world that you know nothing about and your hate will keep you form learning it.
I know what it is to be lost in deep depression (suicidal) and call out to the GOD that I had long strayed from and feel HIS presence engulf my room and my being. Let me tell you that once you encounter HIM (truly) you know it and it is like no other presence. I know what it is to feel a love so intense that I thought my heart would physically burst; a love that I have no ability to give or receive for in my natural state. HE is not like us. I know what it is to be around other believers and out of nowhere have the HOLY SPIRIT bring my uncle to my mind and my mother’s a fear for my uncle’s life. We all began praying not knowing that he was in a car wreck at that exact moment. Everyone on the scene of the accident believed he was dead but then he suddenly began breathing again. I have a lifetime of experiences and encounters with HIM and I know you know nothing about this but this is why no matter how angry or abusive you are you will always have people who believe in the one true GOD. Simply because HE IS and they know it.
You probably encountered religious practices and religious groups but never actually had a relationship with GOD for yourself. You confused who HE is with the mistakes of men who may or may not have truly been His and you didn’t know the difference because you didn’t know Him. HE responds to a sincere heart that genuinely wants to know HIM. If I were you I would practice being quiet in HIS presence. I would stop being vicious and start being sincere with myself and with Him. I would stop having silly arguments about things that I can easily learn the realities about later and I would start asking the right questions that really go to the heart of the matter,like…. “Are You Real?”….”Are these people lying or crazy or are they simply experiencing something I am not?” ….”If you are real, do you really Love me”? …”Can you heal me of this anger and whats really behind it”?
If you don’t REALLY care to know what’s true or about knowing HIM but only about promoting yourself and what you THINK is true then this will probably be an empty experience for you.
HE rewards those who diligently seek HIM. “You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all of your heart.”
Enough of this with you. I have a life to live and a GOD’s love to experience.
Posted by truelogic on February 15, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Notice how you, like all other believers in Gods, have not provided a shred of evidence to backup your claims of your version of God. I am not surprised.
Of course you stated you had enough. why? because if you hang around you are afraid you will see the truth and be exposed for the hypocrite you are.
peace
Posted by truelogic on February 15, 2012 at 6:37 pm
when you get some facts to share, feel free to come back. i doubt you will have the guts because as you can likely see, I will destroy you in a debate on God and Scripture.
Posted by Dave on February 15, 2012 at 7:32 pm
“Why don’t you take the time to research (HONESTLY) the history of the bible and see how accurate it actually is.”
Christina….you must be new to this blog. Research? You’re talking to a guy who can quote any scripture, anytime, at the drop of a hat. The reason he’s a non-believer.
Just how you know the Bible is ‘accurate’ is a mystery. Certainly, many religious scholars would delight in your pontifications.
You can wallow in ‘God’s Love’ all you like. I had a teddy bear once, as well. I loved him deeply, but paid less and less attention to him as I grew up and realized he wasn’t real.
Posted by Mark on February 22, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Hello Mr. truelogic.
I was just google-ing pastor Morris and found this blog.
May I ask why did you post this blog? What`s the objective?
Posted by truelogic on February 22, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Hello, what is the reason for any blog?
Posted by Mark on February 22, 2012 at 10:58 pm
I dont know… Is there only one reason for blogging?
I know others who blog to make money. Others write blog to inform people. Others just want people to hear what`s on their mind. Some write blogs to impress people, some write blogs to consult.
What`s yours?
Posted by truelogic on February 22, 2012 at 11:25 pm
inform
Posted by Mark on February 23, 2012 at 12:11 am
Hey man, I can see how you feel this way about Pastor Morris. I felt the same before, about the priests and pastors because I don`t know where the money was going. But what I found is that this guy is not really as evil as you said. The church he pastors gave away millions of dollars for missions to help poor people in Haiti. And he`s teaching people to be generous so people who are able can help those who are not.
I Just think that informing people that this guy is a profoundly evil man is not really accurate. And trying to destroy one`s reputation, based on an opinion is, by common sense, just not right.
This is your blog and it`s up to you what to do about it, but if you are writing to inform, meaning relaying facts to people, then I think this post should not be in your blog site.
Posted by Dave on February 23, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Mark……it’s about skimming, and not really giving what to who. They all make up stories. Donating to Haiti is fine, but it’s not what it’s pretended to be.
Posted by Dave on February 23, 2012 at 7:36 pm
I’m astounded at some of the religious types who show up here. True can easily knock them off the chair in a few sentences, but they continue to show up. Reality is where it’s at, folks……not mythology…..not superstition. Should you have anything realistic, viable to say, there are plenty of ears around here.
Posted by Mark on February 23, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Hi Dave… No it`s not just about skimming… it`s about “informing” people that this guy is a Profoundly Evil Man. Telling that this guy is skimming, is an opinion. The Haiti thing is pretty realistic to me(I looked it up on the internet). If you can show a proof or testimony of anyone in that service who gave 10 percent of their income, and regretted that they did, then I might accept the claim that this guy is truly evil.
And by the way, You might think I am bu I`m not one of those religious type you are saying in the other post. I gave to my local church because I feel joy when I give, and I see results. Better lights, better sound system, sweet snacks, more friends, lot`s of laughing and having fun, donations being given to people in need. No superstition here man. If you come to Japan, I`ll be glad to show you. I`ll treat you some sweet sushi too.
Posted by Dave on February 23, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Mark….if you’re in Japan….you get an automatic pass.
Dang…I love sushi! Can’t imagine what the real stuff might be like! Not readily available in west Texas. No claims here that everyone belonging to a church group is ‘evil’. If it works for you, go for it. What doesn’t work, and the main purpose of sites like this, is the nagging fear of keeping Xtian Republicans at bay. That would include all religions, in general. They’re a nasty, conniving lot and determined to exert undue influence in this country. No-one is saying you are. Church and state?
Here’s a George moment you may not have seen: Cheers!
Posted by truelogic on February 25, 2012 at 9:53 am
Pastor Morris, like every other pastor i’ve seen on tv is making money of the dumb sheep. He pretends to follow Jesus yet he doesn’t do as Jesus instructed and then makes money out of his hypocrisy. In the eyes of Jesus, he would be profoundly evil. In the eyes of Jesus he would be doing the work of the devil. FACT is that he is a hypocrite. Fact is that he uses the bible and scripture to manipulate the ignorant.
look at all the money he has and all that he has for himself. the life he lives. instead of spending so much money on himself and family, why not put it towards saving the lives of children? he can decide to buy a pair of nice shoes and a car to drive around or instead, feed families. what would jesus do? he is a fake, a liar and thus profoundly evil in a true moral perspective of someone claiming to believe in and follow Jesus.
Give ALL your possession to the poor and follow me….Jesus.
these people do not care about their jesus or the words he clearly stated. they care about themselves and to me, that is evil.
peace
Posted by truelogic on February 25, 2012 at 9:57 am
Just what jesus would want…better lights, better sound system, sweet snakes and friends with people laughing while a child just died because that money didn’t go to feed dying babies without food or medication. sorry, but to pick a nice sound system over the life of a dying child is profoundly evil. but it is nice to see where your morals really are. i hope the people laughing and enjoying the nice sounds from the new system are thinking of the children suffering which could have been helped while they stand around laughing.
now, if a person does that and also claims to be a follower of jesus…like morris…then that is truly profoundly evil.
Posted by truelogic on February 25, 2012 at 10:01 am
basically, religion is disgusting. at least the christian and muslim versions. claiming to be moral and following a moral “light” all along while they couldn’t really give a shit about life of those that suffer. i’ve spent years, in a non religious capacity helping the suffering and spending the majority of my income and savings to do it. couldn’t get a single christian to do the same or give up a small amount of their income to help. they were more interested in getting more followers to donate more money to getting more followers so they could buy things like sound systems and nice treats for those that are already fat and happy.
however, many people are fooled by a person claiming to love god. so they give out of ignorance.
Posted by truelogic on February 25, 2012 at 10:05 am
i think the problem is they don’t really want to face the truth. when they see a post for which they can’t argue a point, they rather run from what it exposes because they prefer to believe what they are comfortable believing. i get this at the religious college. when I walk up, they stop their preaching in public and walk away. they don’t want a civil debate using scripture because they are exposed. they don’t want others to know that the bible clearly states that EVERYONE will be saved and that EVERYONE will be salted by fire but that fire is used to purify and not torture. kind of takes the fear out of their religion and they can no longer threaten others to believe.
Posted by truelogic on February 25, 2012 at 10:07 am
Pastor Morris misrepresents tithing as presented in the bible…do you think jesus would find that evil? jesus was VERY clear about what happens to those that misrepresent his word. Apparently what happens to you for doing such a thing would demonstrate just how evil it is in the mind of Jesus.
Posted by No name on February 25, 2012 at 11:44 pm
I was reading what you said until the ugly word How about if he meant planting seed in fertile ground which his work is.
Posted by truelogic on February 26, 2012 at 9:22 am
don’t know what you are trying to say.
Posted by Dave on February 26, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Really….just what is the ‘ugly’ word? True…don’t leave out Jews here. Oh…they insist they’re a people?…..my ass!! They started the whole shit and somehow feel they should be exempt from criticism. Each day, American boys die on their behalf so this little globe-sucking state of Israel can proliferate. It should never have been created in the first place. Oh sorry…..is that anti-Semitic? So what!!?? Anti-religion covers all the bases, not just a select few.
Posted by truelogic on February 26, 2012 at 2:44 pm
I never understand why we respect israel so much. God’s people? Fuck that! and their God.Israel is an example of some of the most immoral governments on earth. They need to learn to live with the rest of us.
Posted by truelogic on February 26, 2012 at 2:46 pm
what is the ugly word. i don’t get it. Jesus? Jesus Christ? God? religion? They are all ugly words but we get idiots here that post one liners and then run away without debate.
Posted by Dave on February 26, 2012 at 3:06 pm
We respect Israel so much because Jews are in control of the media in this country. And we’re afraid of Xtian Republicans? It sounds Hitler-esque, in a way, but I’m not about to apologize for it. It’s simply fact. This country supports that country 100% because they’ve bought and paid for it. America is populated by dupes. I’m a big 9/11 Truther fan and there’s a fairly broad consensus as to who ACTUALLY did it. There’s no Arabs in that crowd.
Who knows what the ‘ugly’ word might be. The hit ‘n run artists make exiting comments, of every variety, knowing full-well they wouldn’t stand a chance with you in a real debate. They just believe in the magic man, period, and don’t want to hear any reality.
Posted by truelogic on February 26, 2012 at 10:18 pm
i can’t stand israel and wish we would stop giving them any kind of support. it is time they are on their own and let their god protect them if they need protection. apparently they have no faith in their god or they would just ask him to take care of them. i would guess god doesn’t really give a shit about them. he put them in the desert and surrounded them by their enemies and they’ve always needs us to get their backs. now they just want to pull us down into their shit for treating other humans like shit. fuck them.
Posted by george on March 3, 2012 at 10:43 am
You two “all american boy’s” really SEEM to know what you’re talkin’ ’bout. Here’s one fer ya. Remember the six day war that Israel fought with the Arabs in 1967? Now how the heck do ya think they got that war done in six days? With them gaining 18,ooo more square miles of control than before. I know that their strategy gained them advantage when they attacked before anyone knew they were coming. Pretty smart huh? Now, how about them Arab’s. Bet they were pretty surprised, what do ya think? It seems to be gittin’ to that point again, don’t ya agree? Except that maybe there are a massive amount MORE wanting Israel gone for good. Now why do ya suppose that is? One of ya says that ya know the Bible real well. Have ya read Ezekiel 38 and part of 39? How about Daniel 11 & 12? Care to explain these to me in your understanding? Daniel 12:10 says this; “Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the WICKED shall do wickedly: and none of the WICKED shall understand, but the WISE shall understand.” There’s also more to just helping your fellow man with good things (although this is something that every person should seek to do). Jesus said in Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came and spoke to them,saying, ” All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make desciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age” Amen. Then Mark 16:15&16 says, And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” Pretty simple huh? I don’t have a whole lot, but what I do have I’m thankful for. I don’t live for all the “material” things I can get out of life. I live to love and help spread God’s love to others. As Christina, I know His presence on a daily basis around me. I see the results of prayer in many more ways than I had expected. God is all knowing, and He knows who you are. He still loves you, although you do not understand it. He will continue to love you. It’s your decision. Should you decide to reject Him, He will respect that decision, but He will cry over it.
Posted by truelogic on March 3, 2012 at 11:44 am
Those that are delusional, don’t typically know they are delusional and even if someone told them they where, they wouldn’t believe it. You don’t see the works of your god anymore than you see the works of any other god. if you saw something and then decide to attribute it to your god then that is just nonsense. i can tell you that krishna, jesus, horus, zues, allah, buddha and all the others gods don’t know who anyone is because not a single one of them is real and you can’t demonstrate that they are. it is called a delusion and i feel sorry for people that believe this nonsense. i hope you will get some help.
now, the scripture is perfectly clear that if i do not believe in god then that is god’s choice, not mine and it is perfectly clear that if god were real that he is going to save everyone, the entire world. you should take some time and read the bible.
The wicked? god created the wicked. “he created the wicked for the evil day”. the wicked do wicked because the christian god, according to scripture, says that he did. he is the potter and the wicked are the clay and he built the vessel for dishonor.
really, stop making the bible say what you want it to say and be honest and actually post what is says without twisting it to fit your personal desires.
Posted by truelogic on March 3, 2012 at 11:50 am
he that believes shall be saved? “every tongue shall confess” apparently, everyone will believe and therefore apparently everyone will be saved. the reason everyone will be saved, based on the nonsense of the bible, is because everything is of god and thus man has no free will, god planned everything, and scripture repeatedly makes it clear that god states he will save all men. how can he be the savior of the world and then not save the world? nonsense. christians like to make god into something of their own image and they never backup their claims. you come to this site then you will be educated on what the bible actually states.
he that does not believe will be condemned. what bullshit. condemned to what? be very clear when you quote scripture and don’t just assume that condemned means eternal torture in fire by a god of “love”. love, mercy, compassion do not equal torture. pretty logical so it looks like you need to rethink your “knowledge” of scripture and your god.
Posted by truelogic on March 3, 2012 at 12:00 pm
you make this too easy. daniel? are you serious. none of the “wicked” shall understand. you assume the wicked will ALWAYS be wicked and that it is speaking of eternity. is it speaking of a specific time that the wicked will not understand? as you know, there are many people that are wicked but there comes a time when some of them learn to be good. many people claim to have been horrible people but suddenly they turn to god and become good. which disciple was it that was horribly wicked and then he became extremely good? at one point in time that disciple would have not understood but after he changed he became good.
i find that christian love to stick to what they are told to believe and what they wish to believe instead of thinking through the scripture. i took absolutely not time thinking through what you stated and i can see numerous holes and examples of where you don’t know scripture. do you seriously want me to expose your scriptural ignorance? fact is that you will slowly start to see what i state is true, based on scripture, and you will be forced to run with your tail between your legs. do you know what scripture says about people that twist the word to make scripture say what they themselves want it to say. you are being so dishonest with yourself. i used to be like that and i noticed how i lied to myself so i culd believe in god and what i was taught about god. then i read objectively and discovered god was a lie and the scripture didn’t say anything close to what chrsitians claimed. you follow the same old tired christian belief system.
“Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men…Full well you reject the commandments of God, that you may keep your own traditions” (Mark 7:7 & 9).
i know, you will claim this isn’t speaking of you and other christians.
if you would like to continue then we can get into scripture in a bit of detail but I would only expose your ignorance of scripture and your god.
Posted by truelogic on March 3, 2012 at 12:03 pm
dave, don’t you find it odd that god has a “special” people that are above others? it is odd because god created adam and eve and all other humans apparently came from just those two people. therefore, we are all the same people. somehow he took a few from the group and said they are special.
Posted by Dave on March 3, 2012 at 12:36 pm
The Six Day War ended quickly because it was a sneak attack…….a Pearl Harbor. Israeli jets flew in under radar and destroyed the Egyptian Air Force on the ground…300 planes. The rest of it amounted to border skirmishes.
It’s no secret Israel has it in for Iran. They’ve publicly stated they won’t be informing the US as to the timing of their next sneaker. Iran is well aware of that possibility and currently has hundreds of missiles pointed at Israel. Iran is a far cry from the group of rag-tag Palestinians that Israel beats on at every opportunity. Once the festivities begin and the possibility of Israel getting it’s ass whupped settles in, guess who they’ll be whining to for assistance? Yup!
WWIII, here we go! And why? Because some obnoxious little state feels itself the only righteous entity in the neighborhood and the only one deserving of having nukes.
And what does any of this have to do with the Bible? True?
Posted by Dave on March 3, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Yeah. And why wasn’t Gawd hanging in with his ‘folks’ on any of those trains headed for Auschwitz? True, if that’s ‘chosen’, let’s be thankful we’re lesser humans.
Maybe He’s just REALLY into the soul-collection business….the more the merrier… by whatever means. Hmm…..that might explain His apparent love of war on religious grounds!
Posted by george on March 3, 2012 at 3:59 pm
It IS apparent that you are WITHOUT understanding. If you HAD understanding, then you would know that certain prophecies from the Old Testament do refer to what IS happening RIGHT NOW in the middle east. I’m sorry that you’re puny understanding cannot compute this. Since you are such a scholar of the Bible how come you don’t know what or how or why it exists? It also talks clearly of them (the Jews) being persecuted for their disobedience, but that one day they would be gathered together once again in the land that God promised them. It also says that He will “Bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you”, refering to the Jewish Nation. I sure wouldn’t want to be in your shoes when Jesus shows up on the scene.
Posted by Dave on March 3, 2012 at 5:04 pm
That’s nasty, George. I assume you’re directing that remark at me. Yes, maybe I do have a ‘puny understanding’ and my opinions are only what I deem as common-sense gut reaction. Fortunately, True is the real-deal here and educated enough to take any one of you back to the woodshed whenever he feels like it. I’ve never seen different on this site. It’s always hit ‘n run for the ‘believers’.
Ooooh! I’m scared!…..what is Je$u$ gonna do to me on his return? Set me on fire? Insist I turn over my young son for the evening? What about all those poor Jews who didn’t convert? I see…..Big Daddy loves them to bits but is seriously pissed at Junior for turning a number of them into Xtians? That makes sense. Oh..forgot..they’re the same person. A schizoid deity is certainly my first choice! Show of hands?
Again, George, I’m not a scholar of the Bible. The webster who runs this site MOST DEFINITELY IS! He’s fully qualified to refute the nonsense.
In the event you haven’t noticed, there have always been politicos who have manipulated the ‘Constitution’ over, under, sideways, down to make it suit their agenda. Imagine…..the Biblicos have a 2000 year head-start!
Enough with the ‘chosen’ nonsense.
As to the ‘promised land’, that’s NYC and it’s already happened. The mid-east dustbowl is just an excuse to continue stirring up shit. Their specialty.
You can’t see the “Creator of the Universe” playing favorites as ubiquitous? ( help me here hp…..not sure it’s the correct word.)
Posted by Dave on March 3, 2012 at 6:04 pm
True….if Gawd has a ‘favorite’ people it would stand to reason ‘He’ also has a favorite beverage, vacation destination, car model, TV sitcom, movie……the list goes on.. ad nauseum. Eliminating Israel from the map would be a major step towards securing world peace. Many of your American brethren will die in the soon-to-be conflict. It’s coming. Easy to support if there’s no-one near and dear to you involved.
I have two women friends whose sons have returned from Afghan. They’re totally fucked-up, emotionally, in every way. . This speech never fails to bring tears to my eyes.
Posted by truelogic on March 3, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Jesus can’t do shit because he isn’t a god. Buddha walked on water before the jesus story decided to add it to their little book. Notice you are not about to debate scripture with me. why? because I would expose as being ignorant of scripture and for being a hypocrite with respect to scripture/following jesus.
“i will have that all men be saved”. it doesn’t say I will have only some men to be saved. read the bible. hell fire is not literal. look it up. i noticed you didn’t even attempt to bother to answer the minor questions i asked. book of revelation, first one, chapter one states that everything within that book is symbolic and not literal. the fire that will salt everyone (according to scripture) is the fire of God and not an eternal, never ending fire that tortures anyone. it is a fire used to purify everyone so that they can stand with god in heaven.
i know you would like to claim that god is going to torture billions of people out of his “love” but fact is, you have no facts supporting any of your claims.
fact is, you can’t prove your god is any more real than any other god and you can’t prove that any other god isn’t real. i realize you don’t like facts and you enjoy your little delusion so feel free to live it.
i can promise you your god can do nothing. watch. dear god of george, please take my life right this moment.
yeah, i am still here. dear god of george, i think you are a fucking prick and i know you can do nothing to me.
yeah, i am still here. your god is pathetic and your knowledge of scripture is even more pathetic.
fact is, you can not choose god or seek god and scripture makes that clear. because we all know that according to the bible, “yet all is of god” and thus nothing is of you. did you not read the scriptures where even jesus himself told everyone that he could do nothing but for the father? do you think you can do something that jesus couldn’t do? let me guess, you think you have powers that jesus did’t have.
back up anything that you claim. go ahead. provide the proof for your god or anything that he has claimed to have done. go ahead. fact is, you can’t. so run along and go play with yourself.
Posted by truelogic on March 3, 2012 at 9:54 pm
“But who may abide the day of His coming? and who shall stand when He appears? for He is LIKE a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap.”
Sad how Christians think God tortures people with real fire for all eternity. Not only is the story nonsense but the scripture gives you the answer for which is what I’ve stated time and time again.
“And He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and He shall purify…”
How about another example?
“…and He shall purify the sons of levi (this isn’t speaking of jeans), and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness” (Malachi 3:2-3].
seem like the entire world will be purified and be able to provide the lord an offering in righteousness but don’t take my word for it george…what does god say? oh yeah, you don’t know.
“…I came not to judge the world, but to SAVE the world” (John 12:47).
George seems to think his god is going to fail to do what he said he came to do. why don’t you believe your God’s word, george? or you just don’t like this agnostic teaching you what your bible actually states?
“…we have heard Him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD” (John 4:42). George doesn’t think he is the savior of the world. George, like many christians seems to think he is the savior of only part of the world. what…5 percent? and of course george thinks he is one of the special ones. absurd.
Posted by truelogic on March 3, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I can’t watch this video yet because my wife and son are watching a program and I don’t want to bother them. i’ll check it out after their program.
good point about god having a favorite drink, etc.
Posted by truelogic on March 3, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Christians claim to follow a god and yet they know nothing about his word and they don’t come close to living the life he asked of them or following what he told them to do. pathetic waste of human flesh.
Posted by Dave on March 3, 2012 at 11:47 pm
True… you’re the best…. most simply, ( peace and love to you and yours ) You might wish to delete this remark from your website. Understood!
Just a comment.
Posted by george on March 4, 2012 at 11:13 am
Lets start with the scripture that YOU quoted to me, Mark 7:7-9. You talk about me twisting the scriptures, but I do believe it is YOU who have done just that. Read again, and start with the 5th verse and see just WHO, Jesus was referring to. Mark 7:5-9, Then the PHARISEES and SCRIBES asked Him, “Why do YOUR DISCIPLES not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?” He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men- the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.” And He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.” Now lets quote Jesus here in John 3:16-21 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten of the Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light , because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light , that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done by God” Next lets look at Romans 1:18-32 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things thst are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man – birds and fourfooted beasts and creeping things.Therefore God also gave them uo to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy,unloving, unmerciful; who knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.”
Now about the fire of God. I know that God refines with fire to burn out the dross (or the evil that might lurk in ones own heart), much as gold is refined to bring out it’s purity. Why do you think He refers to it as such? But now we must go to Revelation. You show me the exact verse in chapter one that says it’s all just symbols, I could find no such verse. Try reading it again. However, lets go to the 20th chapter verse 10, “And the devil, who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” Now verses 14&15 “Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And ANYONE not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.”
You know you might want to pray for God to give you understanding of the scriptures instead of taking them at your own face value, THINKING that you KNOW what you are talking about. No matter, at the end of your life, you will seek God and cry out to him, or you can be lost forever, your choice. Don’t say that it’s Gods choice, because it is not, and you know it. I do pray that the two of you will have opened eyes to the truth. Just know this, If you have been made aware of the truth of the gospel and you coose to reject it, YOU and only YOU, will be held responsible for that choice. You won’t have anytime to blame anyone else, because by then, it will be too late. You all have a nice day now, ya hear?
Posted by Jodell Neal on March 4, 2012 at 11:26 am
Thanks to the individual who put this video of Robert Morris for others to see!!! I thank you Lord Jesus Christ that you did not live the money filled life but a spirit filled life while here on earth. I am so thankful that you had and lived a life not for self gain but love and compassion for the poor!!! That you take the simple to confound the wise! I do not believe in tithing to a church persay but the body of Christ! Giving to the needs of the community and maybe even your own family. This is SUPPOSE to be what church is to do!
Listen, thousands of church goers are loosing their homes and have you heard of ONE church saving their home. They may have put tithes into the church for years and yet that church will let them loose their home. Then they are treated as outcast because they have no more money. Yet the ministers live lke Riches!!!
Posted by Dave on March 4, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Wow, george!….that was a mouthful. You might wish to break up your diatribes into paragraphs……much easier to read.
Now…you didn’t answer the question! If Jesus Christ was sent to ‘save’ the world what’s to become of the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Zoroastrians…….I can’t resist mentioning the Scientology nutbars here, as well. There’s a truckload of wackos out there.
You seem to put as much faith in the Bible as I put in the Harry Potter series. Are you unable to see the comparison? It’s all fiction, sir!
There is no ‘truth of the gospel’. It was written by pagans to control pagans. If you’re unable to consider that, even for a moment, you are truly a dim bulb.
ps….george….there is a “Creator”. He’s just not the one who resides in your magic book of lies. (Gospel/Scripture = Total Bullshit )
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 4:44 pm
However believes in him will be saved. In reference to your John 3:16-21…scripture is clear. “That unto me EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, EVERY TONGUE SHALL SWEAR” Let me see, if every tongue confesses then they will be saved. tell me where in scripture it says it is too late to confess. god is clear that EVERY tongue will confess. your john John 3:16-21 applies to anyone that doesn’t believe but apparently, god knows that everyone will in the end times. as you notice, i need not twist anything but instead give the exact scripture. you take a scripture and assume everyone will not believe and everyone will not confess christ is lord. you happen to contradict your god.
Notice how you are forced to ignore scripture and make your ridiculous claims so it fits your personal belief. Why? because you do not present it from an objective view. your are REQUIRED to believe or your little god will kick your ass with fire forever..haha.
regarding mark 7:7-9 Christians do not teach the commandments of god but they instead live their own worldly life, like you. apparently you have internet access, computer, phone, home, car, clean water, food? instead of selling all your possessions and giving to the poor, you blog on the computer. howebeit in vain you worship your god. now, i guess you think because he was speaking to a specific group of people that somehow it doesn’t apply to you? WTF. therefore we can use all of the teachings of jesus and say they don’t apply to me because he wasn’t talking to me, he was talking to someone else? what bull shit and yet another hypocrite attempting to justify the ungodly life they live.
I guess when scripture in john 3:16 was stated it wasn’t really meant for you or anyone we know because he spoke it to the people of the times? since we couldn’t be there i guess it doesn’t apply to us? what a joke. also notice that it doesn’t say a single thing about eternal torture by fire. where is this fire, this literal fire that is going to torture anyone. it isn’t there. christians make it up and completely twist scripture to lie. then they somehow pull off the greatest illogical accomplishment every by claiming a god to be moral while he will torture billions. so many religious types are actually so ignorant that they equate torture by fire with morals, compassion, forgiveness, love. holy shit!!! that is ignorant.
i also noticed how you ignored a never ending list of scriptures i posted that teaches the opposite of what you are attempting to sell here. pathetic.
Romans 1:18-32
i would like to point out that you just post scripture and assume a meaning without even bothering to attempt to explain how it backs up anything you claim. what a crock of shit. notice in the verses of romans 1:18 onward that it is god that gives man over to all this evil. i am not sure what your point is with posting the scriptures because you know nothing about it to explain it.
let’s go back to Romans the first chapter and read what God tells us is the penalty for all the sins contained in this chapter and compare it to your, “… eternal perdition, to damnation forever …” Romans 1:32:
“… Those who, recognizing the just statute of God, that those committing such things (the thirty sins listed in this chapter), are deserving of death …”
The word “death” NEVER has and NEVER will mean: “life in eternal perdition in damnation forever.” Check any dictionary you prefer.
And it is this very penalty of “DEATH” that God will ultimately abolish.
“The last enemy is being abolished: DEATH” (I Cor. 15:26), in order that ” … God may be All in all” (Ver. 28).
Ouch, i know, that hurt, didn’t it?
Now verses 14&15 “Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. Do you know what a metaphor is? apparently not. do you know the bible is full of them? apparently not. do you know that Death and Hades are NOT living creatures? apparently not.
Lets expose how you and other christians know not how to interpret scripture except for the hateful way that you do.
First understand that “book of life” is an idiom used to describe something spiritual, not a literal physical book with pages and names on them. unbelievable that christians don’t get this shit.
Let me teach you something: Jesus Christ IS the walking, talking, living book of life. learn your fucking bible. Life is not in a book but instead in christ who is the living book and christians are not in it just because they think they are saved. christians by the overwhelming majority are not walking in christ. even you george when you are instead blogging and not going out, giving up of yourself to help others. you care too much about yourself than you do others and that is the opposite of christ and NOT walking in christ.
The Book of Revelation also figuratively portrays in a “pool of fire” those who exclude themselves from the book of life, thus meeting with a “second death” (Rv. 20:13f.). unless you can show that Jesus LITERALLY taught us to cut off our arms and legs, and pull our eyes out of their sockets whenever we do anything that is offensive to our well-being, then you have no Scriptural reasons whatsoever in believing that hell is a literal place of literal fire where people are literally tortured for all eternity, unless you are a very ignorant person that gets some kind of good feeling off of believe such immoral shit.
now, all the above would assume if your god was real and his word real. fact is, you can’t demonstrate he is or that any other god isn’t real. fact is, everything points to your jesus christ being less real than most other gods.
i’ll end with the observation that you have ignored basically every, clear, posted scripture that demonstrates EVERYTHING is of God and thus man can not be tortured for doing what God has done. god is the potter and we are the clay, god creates the wicked for the evil day and god planned everything according to his will. not mans will.
so run along and if you want to come back for more, feel free. it is simple for me to destroy your nonsense.
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 4:48 pm
thanks man.
did you notice this george character coming to attempt to debate scripture by ignoring large amounts of scripture i posted and the actual words i discussed. he just posts a scripture without explaining how he is right and i am wrong in my interpretation. i guess if he posts it, just like if he says something…it magically becomes true?
he doesn’t understand that the bible is full of literal, metaphorical, fugurative speech. proverbs…etc. the major book that speaks of hell fire is completely symbolic and makes that claim in chapter one verse one. then he contradicts his god by telling god he is not the savior of the world and will fail to save billions. he contradicts his god when his god stated every tongue shall confess (and thus believe and be saved). he seems to think this will not happen and or it is suddenly too late to drink of the fountain of life which his god said for anyone to come any time and drink of freely. christian contradictions are like republican contradictions. they learn to lie and it works too fool some but our world is getting wise to the bull shit.
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 4:51 pm
the church will not save their homes and will not hope their church up for the homeless to live and take care of them. because the church is the house of satan. it is where satan lives, in the church and scripture makes it clear. i don’t happen to believe in superstitions like gods but i know what the scripture says and i know what i see in the lives of christians as they live by example. no one lives as christ asked, taught and instructed. NO ONE…not even those that claim to follow him.
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 4:58 pm
And if your right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from you: for it is profitable for you that one of your members should perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into hell” (Matt. blah blah…).
Mark’s account adds these words:
“…into hell fire…where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched. For everyone shall be salted with fire…” (Mark 9:48-49).
george doesn’t take the scripture in matt as being literal. if he did, he would likely have no penis or ass to stick a dildo… that is if he was into that kind of thing..haha.
yet, the hell fire remark, is REAL in the mind of George. scripture according to george, not God. Yes, george too will be salted by fire. read it george, it means you too. but it is NOT literal. it is speaking of a literal place that existed in the times of christ and is there to this day. the dump, the place where they kept the fires going to burn trash where there literally were warms that seemed to live forever.
now what can be taken as literal is:
“God our Saviour Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (I Tim. 2:3-4).
did you notice how george ignores the many scriptures that support this one? instead, he contradicts god and claims it is moral to torture billions of humans in fire and that also equates to forgiveness, love, mercy, compassion…torturing billions for eternity. but hey, he has to believe like that or his god will light his ass on fire. nothing like free will…haha.
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 5:06 pm
1. “And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to BE THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD” (I John 4:14)! Christians believe God has failed and that his son will fail to save the world.
2. “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS; of whom I am chief” (I Tim. 1:15)! I guess he is not going to do what he came to do, according to Christians
3. “For the Son of man is come to seek and to SAVE that which was LOST [that's everyone]” (Luke 19:10)! however, according to christians like george, the son of man is going to fail to save those which are lost.
4. “The next day John sees Jesus coming unto Him, and says, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29). Christian believe the son of god is only taking away a small amount of the sin of the world. not all the sin of the world and thus will fail to save the world for which he was sent to save.
5. And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD” (I John 2:2)! seems to me scripture is clear it is the whole world and not just some. but christians still call their god a liar and insist they are right and god will fail to save the world. because we all know god is immoral and believes in torture by fire instead of love and forgiveness. right? wtf?
6. “God our Saviour Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (I Tim. 2:3-4). again, christians say their god will not save all men and again they contradict their god’s word. maybe they are the few that go to destruction.
7. “The Lord is… not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (II Peter 3:9). christians say that the lord IS wiling that some should perish. again, contradicting god.
8. “For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who IS the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe” (I Tim. 4:10). again, christians think god is not the saviour of the world but only the savior of the few, despite god clearly not making it exculsive of whom he saves. again, complete contradiction of god’s word.
9. “…I came not to judge the world, but to SAVE the world” (John 12:47). again, christians think he will fail to save the world and will save only a few…oh yeah..just them. again, denying gods word for their own.
10. “…we have heard Him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD” (John 4:42). i guess we can just say christ is not the savior of the world because christian say he will fail to save the world. despite his word being perfectly clear that he will save the world. i guess jesus lost all his almighty power.
i always thought that “with men this is impossible but with god ALL things are possible” apparently, christians don’t believe this either.
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 5:15 pm
George is a little sheep that follows what he is told because he is very afraid of what is not there. He believes what others tell him and have likely told him all his life. believe what you are told or you will be tortured forever with fire and you will never see your mommy and daddy and loved ones again.
“For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?” (Rom. 11:15).
God’s casting Israel away temporarily has opened up reconciliation to the whole world. And when Israel is resurrected from the dead, God will receive them back. They will be Grafted back into their own olive tree again.
“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?” (Rom 11:24)
But will their “unbelief” be taken away? Back to Isaiah’s report: “…and ALL flesh (including all the Gentiles) SHALL KNOW (Heb: ‘to have understanding,’ that’s belief-faith) that I am your Saviour and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob (Jacob’s name was changed to Israel)” (Isa. 49:26).
“And I will give them an heart to know Me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return onto me with their WHOLE HEART” (Jer. 24:7).
George can’t follow this and i will likely have to explain it to him? He can’t comprehend what these Scriptures (found in his Bible) are really saying?
They will not remain in unbelief after God gives them an heart to know God. “EVERY tongue shall confess”. why do christians ignore the very clear statement in their very bibles?
This scripture like all the others i post COMPLETELY destroy the unscriptural teachings of the christian immortal soul and man’s free will. they believe that salvation comes only in this life and the failure of jesus to be the savior and to do what he came to do “save the world”.
christian make up a superstition to follow a god and then they can’t even understand their own superstition. what an absurd, ridiculous, absurd crock of shit.
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 5:28 pm
“For God hath concluded them all (Jews AND ALL the Gentiles) in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon ALL (that is EVERYONE, even idiots that can’t read) .” O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been His counselor? Or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto Him again? For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, is ALL: to Whom be glory forever. Amen” (Rom. 11:32-36).
Again, “Every tongue shall confess” and if you can show anyone where it is too late to drink from the fountain of life, go ahead.
“In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If ANY MAN thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of LIVING WATER” (John 7:37-38).
Holy shit. Jesus makes it pretty clear. I know, George and Christians don’t actually believe what their bible state. They believe what they state. Howbeit in vain!!!
“And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life FREELY” (Rev. 21:6).
“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, let him take the WATER OF LIFE FREELY” (Rev. 22:17).
It seems to me that god is repeating this shit, over and over and over again. maybe because he knows there will be people ignorant of his word and even if he repeated it, some would not get it.
I would highly doubt that if ANYONE is standing before God Almighty that he would deny God being real. The power and greatness that would have to emanate off such a being would make anyone bow and confess….just like God stated every tongue will confess and every knee will bow.
so why is it that christians just don’t believe the word God writes to them? oh yeah, maybe because none of it is real anyway? a superstition like all the others?
“And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, YOU, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the levite, the STRANGER (GENTILES), and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within your gates” (Deut. 16:14).
wow, NO ONE was excluded. amazing how scripture demonstrates this over and over and over again.
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 5:36 pm
I wonder if george understands the the three harvest festivals? found in 1 cor. 15:20, 23, 24.
1. Christ is the first fruit of them that slept…but EVERY MAN in his own order.
2. “afterword they that are christ’s (those now saved) at his coming.
3. then comes the end “…and the feast of ingathering (fall harvest) which is the end. jesus said in the end if any man thirst let him come unto me and drink. every knee will bow and every tongue confess and thus EVERYONE will be saved.
want to bet george doesn’t know any of this? but he “follows” christ while he is on the internet or talking on his phone, shopping, eating three meals a day as children die for hunger and lack of clean water. yeah, following christ? what a crock.
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 5:41 pm
scripture is bull shit but christians claim to follow god and then ignore it.
“That in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one ALL in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; in HIM.”
“I HAVE SWORN BY myself, the word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto Me EVERY KNEE shall bow, EVERY TONGUE shall swear” (Isaiah 45:23).
Can you believe it that their God has SWORN that every tongue shall confess and that every man will be saved and that anyone that is thirsty can come and drink and yet George says millions will be tortured by fire for eternity? wow…now that demonstrates just how far brainwashing can go. that signifies that someone is brainwashed into a superstitious cult.
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 6:02 pm
“And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD” (I John 4:14)!
What did jesus say?
“…the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I DO, bear witness of Me….” (John 5:36).
do you think he will not do the works of which his father sent him to do and save the world? you think he will fail? apparently you do.
“I must work the works of him that sent me….” (John 9:4)!!! what are the works that the father sent him to do? save the fucking world. pretty simple, isn’t it?
does he have the power to do it?
“ALL power is given until me in heaven and in earth” matt 28:18
do you think god doesn’t desire or will the whole world to be saved?
“who will have ALL men to be saved” 1 Tim 2:4
you need another witness?
“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, Who is the Saviour of ALL men, especially (not exclusively) of those who believe” 1 Tim. 4:10.
you think god would rather will everyone to be tortured for eternity? you think that is what he wants?
“the lord… is not willing that any perish” 2 peter 3:9
do you think the lord was not lifted up from earth and therefore will not save all men?
“and I, if i be lifted up from the earth, WILL draw all men unto me” john 12 32
but you think the world first needs to have their sins forgiven?
“And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our’s only, but also for the sins of the WHOLE world” (I John 2:2).
“The next day John sees Jesus coming unto him, and says, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29).
I guess you think he is not going to take away the sins of the world? apparently you disagree with scripture, over and over and over and over and over again. why not just makeup your own religion?
“Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE” (Matt. 19:25-26).
“For it is God which works in you both to will and to of His good pleasure” (Phil. 2:13). It is god that does the choosing, the seeking, and it is him that drags you into belief and gives you faith…nothing is of you. Just like Jesus stated: I can do nothing but for the father. do you think you can do what jesus couldn’t do?
Howbeit in vain!!! get my point?
“You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you…”
“No man can come to me except the Father which has sent me draw him and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY” (John 6:44).
“There is none that seeks after God” (Rom. 3:11b).
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that is not of yourselves; it is the gift of god” (Eph. 2:8).
NOTICE, NOTHING is of you. You can do nothing but for the father, just as jesus stated he couldn’t do and others couldn’t do. sucks not to have free will, doesn’t it?
“…and what have you that you did not receive….?” (I Cor. 4:7). that would be nothing. you can do nothing, have nothing but for the father and that is what scripture clearly states. you can not be a christian if god doesn’t want you to be a christian and you will not be saved until god decides he wants to save you.
pretty simple and the scripture supports me 100 percent. kind of hurts, doesn’t it?
“…being predestinated according to the purpose of Him Who works all things after the counsel of His own will” (Eph. 1:11).
Sorry george, you don’t work anything of your own free will. everyone will be saved, according to scripture and you have yet to demonstrate otherwise.
I’ve posted a number of scriptures that expose your lies that you attempt to get across with a few scriptures.
“For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to Whom be glory for ever. Amen” (Rom. 11:34)
You have nothing to do with your salvation. it is all up to god. kind of sucks to learn you haven’t done anything on your own, doesn’t it? thankfully, i don’t believe in your fairytale.
“I am the vine, you are the branches … for without me you can do nothing” (John 15:5).
“Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men…Full well you reject the commandments of God, that you may keep your own traditions” (Mark 7:7 & 9).
Like i stated before, this clearly applies to christians today and specifically to you, george.
feel free to keep trying, i still have a never ending list of scriptures to support what i’ve stated and exposed of you. i guess you are wanting to run off like a wounded dog now?
peace
Posted by Dave on March 4, 2012 at 6:10 pm
True….the dialogue/commentary, by you, a few remarks back, was absolutely amazing. Make sure you give your buddies a ‘heads-up’ if you ever decide to get into the preaching biz. We can handle, (the weasels that we are), the financial end of it!
Posted by Dave on March 4, 2012 at 6:23 pm
George…..you’re showing up with a knife at a gunfight. True has it all over you. Do you , perchance, live in the park in downtown Redacted?
Posted by george on March 4, 2012 at 9:18 pm
WOW – sounds like you’ve got that salvation message down!!! Great! Just what I was goin’ for! You see, I know all about those scriptures that YOU pulled up, and placed on YOUR blog. What you put forth was all on the positive side of what the scripture says, that’s true. But for every positive there is a negative, right? Even the earth and the scientists have PROVEN that, right? So while the Word of God (which IS Jesus, as you stated), and the message of salvation, has a positive side. There will undoubtedly be a negative side to it, right? Don’t all the religions of the world have a positive and a negative side? I accept, and believe both the positive side, which you have SO CLEARLY POINTED OUT FOR ALL TO SEE, and the negative side. When you accept the positive, that is salvation, do we agree? You clearly stated this in most of your quotes of the Bible. So the negative side would be those that I quoted. Oh, and there are so many more. So Dave and Truelogic, there you go. Take it or leave it. Oh, by the way, I don’t have my own computer, by the way. I’m using someone elses at the moment. So when you don’t hear from me again, it won’t be because I’m “running away” (according to you), I just won’t have anyway to get back on line for awile. You see I’ll be on the road, much like a mission trip to help the needy. No, I’m not homeless, I just like going out helping people like Jesus did.
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 11:46 pm
yes, as i stated, you would run away and every christian does. you were exposed for the deceiving person you are and for not known shit about scripture. What have the scientist proven, can you provide examples or are you just going to go around making claims you can’t backup again.
The christian religion is a copy of religions that came before it. in fact, the christian hell is almost identical to the egyptian hell. but the egyptians went into more detail on their hell.
christianity is a religion taken from others. Jesus isn’t even original and is a copy of other gods that came before him. as time passed, they needed to revise their gods and make a new one but they always needed to have a god in those primitive times. hell, in those times, they believed the earth was flat and that science was wrong. the earth was the center of the universe and the sun went up and down. why? because they were uneducated, ignorant, primitive men that wrote the bible based on superstitions.
no, you are not homeless and yes you do have a car and a phone and likely a tv and internet access and all the other bills that come with having a home…while children die for lack of clean water and food. Jesus would have sold all that to make sure he can provide for others and yet you don’t. even though he stated that if you want to be his disciple then sell all you have and give to the poor and follow him.
notice, how you again avoided providing answers to all the questions i posted…just as i stated you would. notice how you can’t debate the scriptures or prove your claims about your scriptures. the negatives you mention are nothing and are not what you attempt to make them appear to be. you change the word of your god and he told you not to do it ….or else some very bad things will happen.
in fact, i would guess you are lying about many things in your life based on what you presented here.
yes, the positive, ALL will be saved. and no matter what you or i do, it is of god and we can do nothing about it. god created the wicked for the evil day and you clearly agree with what i’ve stated because i did exactly what i stated i would do…expose the lies of christians.
peace
Posted by truelogic on March 4, 2012 at 11:49 pm
oh yeah, run along and pretend to be doing the work of jesus because the fact is you are not a follower of jesus as per scripture but don’t feel bad, i dont’ know of anyone that is. don’t come back here and waste my time or anyone else’s unless you can backup your claims and answer the questions presented to you…or at least attempt to.
Posted by luvntruth on March 5, 2012 at 1:51 am
I like what you got to say Truelogic. Can you tell me more? You too Dave. You both make so much sense. I don’t know why people can’t see it more like you guys. The world would be a much better place if we all thought the way you do. I think you both should run on the next presidential ticket. Maybe you two could get this country and the rest of the world back on track. Maybe, just maybe, you could figure out, between the two of you, how to do away with all the Jews, permanently! Oh, then the world would be a sooo much better place. We could all rejoice and be happy. We can all revel in our Hitler moment. What do you want to bet that Pastor Robert Morris would bend his knee to you and call you God. Since now you’ve got the world and it’s population under your thumb with globalization. How’s it feel to be the Anti-christ.
Posted by truelogic on March 5, 2012 at 12:30 pm
why would you want to get rid of jews? just because hitler the christian wanted to get rid of them doesn’t mean those of us that don’t have a superstition want to get rid of them. jews are humans, just like the rest of us. i say get rid of superstitions and if someone is delusional enough to believe in a god that they should get professional treatment and maybe some drugs to help them with their issues.
Posted by truelogic on March 5, 2012 at 12:38 pm
there is no such thing as an anti-christ but if you think you can prove there is, then feel free. I promise you that you can’t prove your god any more than an anti-christ. sad to see a “christian” so full of hate that he needs to spend his time attacking others that are exercising their freedoms to speak instead of going out and doing as jesus would have done and as jesus instructed.
Like i stated, you clearly couldn’t care less about what your Jesus wanted. you are a fake, a hypocrite and if your god were real he would know this. lucky for you he isn’t real and you are no different than anyone else. when it is over, it is over…most likely.
Posted by Dave on March 5, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Judaism, Christianity, Islam et al, are MERE religions. I was recently bounced from a site for having the audacity to suggest to it’s author that Jews are not “a people”, simply just an age-old religious sect. He took great offense at this. Calling me a ‘fucking racist idiot’ in the process.
My argument……? What on earth does a poor, black Ethiopian Jew possibly have in common with an overfed, overpaid Wall St. Jew other than they both pretend to subscribe to the same book of faery tales? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! And this is “a people?” Certainly not. That perception is pure Madison Ave.
I’m not in favor of eliminating any human beings in any way, shape or form……..only their religions. Pagan bs….all of it. Jews got a serious head start in the ‘we-the-persecuted’ division of historical whine-set…….( though the Muslins are doing their best to catch up ) and we’ll all be paying the price once they both initiate WWIII in the mid-east.
Antichrist? Oy….some folks watch far too many movies.
Posted by Dave on March 5, 2012 at 1:41 pm
I think it was ‘End of Days’, starring Arnold, where the Debil comes bursting through the floor inside the church. The bad guy pays no attention to anything ‘sacred’ and administers a real rough ride for Arnold. Very cartoonish. Can the religidiots not see they’re living a cartoon? It amazes me.
Posted by truelogic on March 5, 2012 at 1:52 pm
these christians take any text they read and apply only what they want to believe and ignore the true message. jews don’t deserve anything any more than anyone else and they certainly doesn’t deserve a land that isn’t even theirs and if we support them while they terrorize others, we are not better than terrorist ourselves. christians are ready to go to war at the drop of a hat and then claim to follow jesus…”love your enemies”…but then kill them and their families.
good reason to get rid of religion and the ignorance followers that commit such crimes against humanity.
Posted by truelogic on March 5, 2012 at 1:53 pm
their little delusions give them comfort. it is like the sugar pill that heals a person because they believe it heals them…nonsense.
Posted by Dave on March 5, 2012 at 2:23 pm
It’s been said by many that the allowed creation of Israel after WWII was the greatest mistake of the 20th century. I’m not a Jew-hater, by any means, and don’t wish ill on anyone. I’m a peace-lover. They’re not, nor are their Arabic competition
We enabled that. Religion-based conflict seems all that’s left. Magic books and ‘chosen’ philosophies no longer cut it. The brave new world we seek is upon us.
It can only happen if we first destroy religion. All of them.
Yes, True……we ARE terrorists. Just coming from a different vantage point.
Posted by truelogic on March 5, 2012 at 5:17 pm
yeah, it all depends on how we look at it. if a county decided to put a group of people in one of our states, forced it on us and then those people started to expand and kill, murder my family, i would fight back. that would be expected. the jews shouldn’t have received their own land by the us and others forcing a place for them among others. seems none of them learned to love their enemies and none of them follow their holy book. they are immoral while claiming to be moral. living a lie
Posted by Dave on March 5, 2012 at 6:00 pm
There’s no such thing as a ‘holy’ book. A disgusting principle. No less real than a ‘holy’ watermelon. Both grown/mutated by the efforts of men. The Amish have been able to keep to themselves…….which is fine. Jews are always up for the imaginary fight and the crazy Muslins, having recently discovered dynamite, would like to try it out everywhere.
I recently assisted an Afghan vet in rearranging his storage space. He was just off his 3rd tour and feeling regret that he had recently shot an 8-year-old boy under suspicion he might be packing explosives. He wasn’t. Just following orders, of course.
Damn!!!…….again….just who are the real terrorists here??
Posted by Dave on March 5, 2012 at 10:42 pm
We need to pull our nose out of the world. A much happier place it would be.
Posted by Dave on March 5, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Sorry guys…. just me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akm3nYN8aG8&feature=player_embedded#!
Posted by Brandon K. on March 8, 2012 at 8:48 pm
I’ve been reading a few of your comments and you’re absolutely right, many of us ARE too lazy to go back and find why you’re so against religion. It could be that someone you know or even yourself gave all of your money to a false teacher and lost everything.. I don’t know, but I do know that not all preachers are like that. I ask you a question in return, have you taken the time out of YOUR schedule to read any of the books in the Bible? I would suggest starting with the book of John..
In ALL honesty, up until the beginning of this year I was doing whatever I wanted, drinking, swearing, lusting over pornography and other women (although I’m married), yet I was unhappy. I was depressed even, considering suicide, and just thought my life was all a waste. I’m not going to give you some whole big shpill about how everything magically changed, because it didn’t.. but I CAN tell you that I knew something had to be done.
I have been raised in a non-denominational church from as far back as I can remember and the teachings stuck with me, even if I never practiced them. So, after some “soul searching” I decided to turn my life over to God through faith and forgiveness in Jesus Christ. I haven’t read any of your other stuff on this site, but I’m going to assume that you don’t believe in him or even care, which is fine. But let’s just make a basic assumption here off of what the Bible DOES say.. he was the Son of God and he was sacrificed for our sins.
Now, I’m just as guilty as you are for committing sins on a daily basis, the Bible states that the penalty of sin is death, and yes, everyone dies. But God isn’t speaking about oh if you sin your just going to inevitably die, he’s talking about eternal death, separation from him. Forgiveness has been offered, as well as a free gift of eternal life, through the death of Jesus, God in the Flesh. No, nobody has physical evidence that this happened, but can you explain how the oldest book in history, which was written by several different authors, through different times in history, in different locations of the world all contain the same basic principles, teachings, ideas, and beliefs?
Of course not, nobody can, you may say it was manufactured to be that way over the course of history, but you also have no proof of this. Let’s have pretend time right now, let’s say that you have a son, and you may.. what if there was an incurable disease that was spreading around the world and EVERYONE had to be tested to see if by some chance their blood held an antibody to it and YOUR son had it. You asked the doctors, well, how much of his blood do you need? Then they replied to you, ALL of it, what would you say? It would be my guess that you would say no, you would be unwilling to give your son up for sacrifice..
Well, God DID offer his Son for us, he loved, and still loves, us that much that he gave up his Son freely, so that we may have a way to come to a relationship with him. One of the biggest issues that people bring before Christianity and how many Christians fail on a daily basis is when it comes to homosexuality. Oh well, do you believe they were born that way and that they don’t chose it? Honestly, NO, I don’t think they chose it and they were born that way.. Are you ready for this though, it’s because all people are born with sin embedded in them, it’s been passed on to us. Are you taught to misbehave and do bad things? Course not, you must be taught to do right.. in the same manner, gay people ARE born that way because they are imperfect, along with the rest of the world. That is why we must be reborn with Christ, so that we may overcome the sin in our lives.
Do I EXPECT you to listen to what I have to say or my viewpoints? Not really, you’ve made the conscious decision to turn away from a free gift and you’re even doing your best to lead people astray from their belief. In a way I pity you, because you may not realize it now, but you’re condemning yourself to a more horrible fate than you could possibly imagine. Your retaliating out of hate and anger against people who genuinely love and care about you just because we can. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to believe that you don’t believe in the Devil and would even show disrespect to his way as well. Did you know that the Bible says that not even angels, who are much more powerful than we are, do not speak out disrespectfully against Satan and his minions?
On a side note, I DID read how you opened your message putting down Pastor Morris and his teachings of tithing. I didn’t watch the video, but I’ve seen several on his ministry of tithing and giving.. and in no place does he tell you that you MUST give to his church. In all actuality, you are to give your tithes in whatever church you have to decided to reside.
All things aside and in complete seriousness, look how long of a post I’ve written you already. I could continue this and drag it out as long as possible, but why did I do it in the first place? Do you think it’s because “I” wanted to do it on a personal level, just to argue? No, I hate arguing and I hate spending my time doing tedious tasks, like typing. BUT, I know for a fact that Jesus would have taken the time to sit and talk with you no matter what you said or did. Did you know that non-believers used to LOVE to be around Christ? Do you know why? It’s because they knew he wouldn’t try to talk them out of doing the things they were doing.. now why do you think that is? Lets use a couple of analogies: Dogs bark, Cats Meow, Cows Moo, Golfers Golf.. all basic stuff right? Here’s the million dollar question.. what do sinners do? They sin.. Jesus already knew that, so he did NOT waste his time getting upset with them when they did or try to stop them. Instead, he spent his time performing miracles, showing others the power of God through himself and reached out to others because he cared.
So why am I still writing? Honestly, because I DO care about you, even though I’ve never met you and probably never will, but I would love to call you a fellow brother or maybe even sister; I don’t know your gender, sorry. Do you KNOW why the rest of the world gets mad at Christians, the ones who actually follow the teachings of God and don’t judge others or put them down; have you taken the time to think about it? It’s because the way we live our lives and the way we act, painfully points out the error and immorality of those who aren’t saved.. So instead of putting you down, I’m going to lift you up, I’m going to pray for you, and all the harsh words you throw at me and say will not be replied to out of anger and I will bare no grudge or evil will against you.
Let me ask you an honest question, does it really hurt you THAT bad and make you SO angry for others to reach out to you with a friendly and Christian hand? Is it really so bad having other people genuinely CARE about you and worry about you? And is it really so wrong for us to desire for you to experience the joy we’ve found and offer to you? Do you hate free gifts so much that you don’t accept them, and nothing less than eternal life even.. if you answer no to that you’re only fooling yourself. All that is required of you to gain access to this offering is accepting the death of someone who came before you. Would you think twice if someone you knew gave up their life for you so that you could live? Surely not, so why would you turn away and refuse Jesus’, just because he’s persecuted all around the world and you’ve never met him?
This will be my last paragraph I promise.. I want to leave you with this thought and offering. Let’s say you were stranded out in the middle of no where, it was dark and suddenly you fall down a deep, dark hole. There is no way out and you have no way of calling for help. By chance a stranger with a lantern “happens” to come along and offers to throw you down a rope, would you not accept it? Again, you’re only kidding yourself if you say no. I’ve already told you that sin inevitably leads to eternal death, but God loved YOU so much that he sacrificed his Son just so that you would have a way to escape death. He already knows all that you’ve ever done and the things you’ve done wrong, he’s just waiting for you to repent.. he WANTS you to, that’s his deepest desire, a relationship with us. ALL that you have to do to accept it is recognize that you’re a sinner, recognize that Jesus is the payment for that sin and that he died for you. Ask for him to come into your heart, forgive you of your sins and bring you into a relationship with the Father. Thank him for his forgiveness and his sacrifice and that’s ALL. That’s all it takes to accept the gift of eternal life, and honestly, it’s not that much to ask. I love you man, I pray that one day you’ll take that step.. Good bye and God bless!
Posted by truelogic on March 8, 2012 at 9:04 pm
wow, that is a long post. i’ll try to get to reading it at some point.
Posted by truelogic on March 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm
I’ve never lost my money for any cause. I gave most of my money to those in need several years ago when i was not a Christian. I was once a christian and then learned it was a lie. I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, I have a wife for whom i am 100percent loyal and in my opinion, i don’t sin. sin is something defined by the bible and the bible is nothing but old stories copied from other religions and nothing more.
I’ve not lost anyone close to me and i’ve never had anything bad happen to me other than being sick as a child. I was a christian for many years, when to school and studied scripture and learned about the lie people like you spread. christians like you are afraid of what the scripture actually states and are unable to comprehend true love.
Face is that sin does not lead to eternal death. 1. i advice you to use your strong’s dictionary and study scripture and the word eternal and everything else. 2. according to scripture god “will have that all men be saved”. read it for yourself. apparently you believe that jesus was sent to save the world, to be the savior of the world but he is going to fail to save the world? nonsense.
if you want to find the truth then feel free to come back and debate scripture and what it truly means. I can promise you that if you are like all other christians, you will lose the debate and will be forced to make excuses.
as a father i would never have my child tortured for not believing in me or for not doing as I told him/her. as a father if my child was condemned to eternal hell fire torture and I had the power to keep him from it, I would do it. in fact, to torture a child for anything would be immoral. apparently your god is very immoral and plans to torture billions? fact is, that is not what scripture states and the book of revelation is clear that what is written therein is symbolic, not literal.
you don’t care about me, you care about yourself and attempting to get others to buy into your delusion. you are NOTHING like jesus and you will never be but you will like to say you try. don’t try, do it. it isn’t that hard. but you, like all christian will make an excuse or just run from the debate because you don’t want to be exposes for being a hypocrite and if you are a christian claiming to follow jesus, you are a hypocrite and that is a fact.
why you spend your time “caring” about me, a child just died for lack of clean water, medical attention and or food. families are suffering but you take the time to write to me because you “care”. what a joke.
if you care, get off your ass and stop typing and give your life to help others. do you need the scriptures that tell you to do exactly that? don’t believe me? read the bible, it is perfectly clear. christians will twist and distort the word of their god just to sale the lie without actually studying what is states. without any education on the origins of religion or historical facts.
notice how you and no one else are able to prove their gods are real or not false. i promise you that you can’t.
if the bible were true, “eternal” life is something everyone will have and no horrible old fart is going to torture anyone. i promise.
Posted by Dave on March 8, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Brandon….whoever convinced you as to a “gift of eternal life” is a freakin’ nutbar. How does he know?? How do you know?? How do I know?? How could anyone know?? Ya gotta die to figure it out!! Life 101 is a difficult course. It’s amazing how few students are able to pass it, or consider the implications.
Posted by Dave on March 8, 2012 at 11:28 pm
I hope hp didn’t scoot just because of some political nonsense. I suspect he has the cajones to reply…..with, at least, a reasonable explanation. ‘Naivete’ doesn’t quite cut it.
Posted by Dave on March 9, 2012 at 12:20 am
A well put and extensive post by Brandon K. A little thought/consideration will occur tomorrow, at which time a response will be forthcoming.
Posted by tired of bull---- on March 9, 2012 at 1:54 am
It really doesn’t seem to matter what anyone says to either of you. You’ve clearly made up your minds, as you seem to repeat yourselves over, and over, and over again. You two are the nutbars. Oh, and about people having nothing better to do with their time than to blog you. You seem to be the ones to post comments every hour or so. So who’s spending all their time typing? You say that you help others, wheres your proof? Can you prove what you say here? No you can’t, anymore than anyone else who blogs here can prove what they say, as you so aptly put it. Why don’t you give it a rest and put this shoddy piece of a blog out of everyones misery. You’ve clearly proven to me how just ANYONE can use their dimwittedness on the internet. It’s said ignorance is bliss, you two must be blissfully happy with yourselves. Let those who are ignorant, remain ignorant still!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by luvntruth on March 9, 2012 at 2:06 am
I guess you don’t know sarcasm when you read it. Duh! Who said I was a christian? You only assumed that. Assuming something only makes an ASS out of U and ME. You don’t even know when the same person blogs you under different names do you? HA HA HA HA.
Posted by tired of bull---- on March 9, 2012 at 2:41 am
So where’s my post? Don’t want anyone to see it? You can’t handle the truth!
Posted by luvntruth on March 9, 2012 at 2:49 am
Hey Tired, seems like it’s these two are the ones who are delusional. What do you think?
Posted by tired of bull---- on March 9, 2012 at 2:54 am
I think they should get over themselves. I got better things to do with my time. Like my post name, I’m tired of the BULL.
Posted by truelogic on March 9, 2012 at 8:54 am
of course you are a christian. prove that you are not. I promise you won’t.
Posted by truelogic on March 9, 2012 at 8:54 am
nice post, keep up the christian love.
Posted by truelogic on March 9, 2012 at 8:55 am
why would i care if someone sees your post or not. I love to expose angry christians.
Posted by truelogic on March 9, 2012 at 8:57 am
having a discussion with yourself there? you might try using a different IP address if you want to pull that one off. oh well, if you need lessons in IT and Scripture, you came to the right place.
Posted by truelogic on March 9, 2012 at 9:01 am
hey dave, seems that “tired” and “luvntruth” share the same place or maybe it is the same bed. need to break out leviticus on them? well bmk, you are just an example of another christian attempting to deceive and you were busted in the act of attempting to do it. playing yourself off as two people…niiiice!..classy.
feel free to come back any time and be exposed again and again. now if you want to prove you are not a christian, feel free. or are you too afraid that the big man is going to burn you with his little fire? i know of several children that are afraid of that shit. growup.
Posted by truelogic on March 9, 2012 at 9:02 am
he appears to be an intelligent person and a good guy but to each his own.
Posted by Dave on March 9, 2012 at 11:16 am
Ya gotta laugh! We’re ‘ignorant’ and ‘repetitive’ for refusing to kowtow to the magic book? You have to be plain dumb-ass stupid to believe your particular belief system is, in any way, superior to any other of the, what?…..thousands of world religions? Ugga-bugga appears ( for now) a necessary component as to proper maintenance of the human psyche.
Why wait for Hell? I’ll be starting my Voodoo classes today and can’t wait to begin sticking pins in dolls. Look out, you wacky Xtians!
Posted by Dave on March 9, 2012 at 11:26 am
True……I came across this on another site. Is there anywhere in the bible that states “You shall not make any marks upon yourself”, or something to that effect? Thanks.
Posted by Brandon K. on March 9, 2012 at 11:33 am
@Dave – You are correct sir, a little thought and consideration did occur this morning and your response has arrived, thanks for believing in me. As far as eternal life being a gift, you’ll find that all TRUE Christian pastors teach this, it’s openly stated all throughout the New Testament.
@True Logic – I’d first like to commend you on your giving nature to those who were in need, it takes a caring individual to do such things; doubly for those who have not been saved. For you to say that you were once a Christian and to find that it was a “lie”, is a lie in itself; those who become TRULY become Christians put all of their faith and confidence in God’s love for ALL people, and accept it. Is it possible to become a Christian and fall away from your faith, of course, but this also doesn’t mean that you have lost your salvation. Let’s use your family as an example, you have a child, let’s say that your child becomes a mass murderer and ends up on death row. Just because they’ve done this doesn’t mean that they are no longer part of your family, and you would still love them as your child.. the same truth stands with God.
For you to say that you are sinless just because don’t drink, smoke, or cheat on your wife, shows how truly blind you are to the ways of the Lord. You talk down to many Christians because they don’t study what they preach, well I read the Bible every morning, and did you know that Jesus himself said that to even lust over a woman mean you have committed adultery in your heart? He also says that if you hate someone, you have also committed murder in your heart.. Romans 3:23 says that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. So it’s stated right there, that you, me, Dave, luvntruth, are sinners and we have been cut off from God.
Do you know WHY we are incapable of living in heaven with God? It’s not because he doesn’t love us enough to allow it, it’s because GOD is holy, divine, and perfect; sin cannot exist in his presence. God is light, sin is dark, just as darkness does not exist in the presence of light, sin cannot exist in the presence of God. It doesn’t matter when you sinned or how big it was, the tiniest and most seemingly insignificant sin, MAKES you a sinner, and therefore unable to be allowed in the presence of God. It’s not that God would have you tortured, you are physically unable to be in his presence. THAT is why he sent Jesus to die for us, so that through him these sins could be forgiven and we would have a way to come to his glory.
You think I’m making this up or distorting the truth? You think that I’m “lying”, you want to “debate” scripture, YOU read Romans chapter 3 and tell me that is not exactly what it says. EXACTLY as you pointed out, there ARE those who warp the teachings of the Bible for personal monetary gain, fame, and selfishness.. the Bible CLEARLY states this, read 2 Peter 2, 1 John 4:1-6, 2 John, Jude 3-16.. ALL of these passages openly talk about those who warp the teachings of Jesus and of God and they are NOT the only ones. So debate that with me, I’m not saying any of this from my own opinion, it’s IN the Bible, which IS fact.
Tell me this, do you debate what’s in an encyclopedia or a history book, course not; why is that? Because it’s knowledge that has been recorded and passed down by those who were around when the events occurred. So why is it that you debate over whether the Bible is fact or fiction when it has been in existence long before any of these other “stories” passed down through the generations. You may say that we who follow God are simply his slaves that do his bidding, but the Bible says this, those who live “free” lives doing whatever they want are a slave to their sins. At least I can honestly say that I’m a slave to love.. can you?
I see that you’re quick to point out that I’m nothing like Jesus, by claiming this you’re actually verifying that he’s real, he’s above human nature, and that we will never be able to reach his level. In a way you are right, Jesus was born perfect and I was not, He never sinned but I have, He is OF God and I’m adopted into his family.. but you are also wrong in a way. I have been forgiven of my sins, therefore I am much closer to being LIKE Christ than I was before. It IS true that I will NEVER be perfect, but that doesn’t mean I can’t strive to be. It IS true that I’ll never be ENTIRELY like Christ, until he returns and takes us home; there we will be given new bodies, just as he was when he ascended to into heaven.
When you say that I don’t care about you and I only care about myself, you are so far from the truth I find it to be amusing. Just the way you yourself worded it proves that it’s untrue, “you don’t care about me, you care about yourself and attempting to get others to buy into your delusion.” Lol, if I only cared about myself, why in the world would I even waste my time sharing my happiness and “delusional” thoughts with you. C’mon man, stop fighting the truth. Do you honestly believe there are those in the world who don’t genuinely care for other people? Doctors care for other people, nurses do too, do they could simply say “oh, well this guy’s already flat lined, he’s dead; poor guy”? Of course not, many of them, not all mind you, but many join because they WANT to help others and care about their well being. So why put me down just because I’m a Christian.. because that’s exactly what you’re doing, putting me down because I told you my beliefs and you don’t accept them. There is your debate right there, I’m not running from anything, I’m facing your accusations head on with irrefutable proof that what I claim is true.
In regards to me “wasting” my time caring for you instead of a child who is dying in some area of the world with no food or water; God considers ALL people equal, NONE are better than others in his eyes. You are no different than a child who is starving, for in a way, you too are also starving.. but you starve from a lack of spiritual food and a relationship with Christ. Perhaps I haven’t been called to reach out to those in other areas of the world in person, but in a way I already am, I know not where you live or what your circumstances are.. you in fact could be poor and on your last leg; I’ll never know that. A hypocrite I am not, but a born again believer I am. Christians will continue to sin even AFTER they are saved, God knows this, but their sins have already been forgiven, what makes a difference is that those who model their lives after God’s teachings will continue to ask for forgiveness and the strength to overcome continual sin; meaning the same one day in and day out.
In a way you are correct about me being unable to “prove” that God is real, I’ve never laid eyes on him, I wasn’t there when Christ was on earth, but others were and they have passed on their knowledge to us. There’s also a little thing that many Christians like to call faith, you know, believing in something you’ve never seen? Have you ever seen a billion dollars? Probably not, but that doesn’t mean it’s not real, others claim to see it on a daily basis.. but you most likely never will; what’s the difference?
Explain this though, many scientists who have set out to disprove the Bible have been unable to do so, and have in fact ended up becoming Christians themselves.. go look it up in Google. I was reading an article yesterday about how scientist believe they are moving in on the molecule called the “god atom” or some name of that sort. Basically, they have NO explanation for what gives anything mass, which is why they’re looking for this atom. I think it’s funny that humans have to have an explanation for everything, what are they going to say if they find that there ISN’T a special atom which gives everything mass? What will they conclude scientifically? Even air has atoms, it’s a gas.. you gonna tell me that everything is created from nothing? Answer me that with some fact and see how far it gets YOU, as for me, I KNOW what has brought everything into existence.
The Bible DOES say that eternal life is promised to everyone, it’s only a matter of everyone repenting to accept it. More fact, the Bible told us Christians to expect persecution and hatred from the world we live in, simply because we are different and follow things you don’t believe; because it’s the TRUTH. What is the number one religion in all the world that gets hammered? Christianity, other parts of the world murder those who share our beliefs, while they are allowed to practice other religions. Here, Catholics and Muslims aren’t frowned upon, but believing in Jesus Christ is. Don’t you think it’s just a little funny how that works? The truth causes people discomfort, because it makes them realize they’re wrong, and they hate that feeling.. THAT is why Christianity is SO hated by you and all others.
I will leave you with this to think about, if Christianity is a lie, then why are you even having such a huge debate over it? The fact that you’re debating at all shows that part of you believes God/Christ is real and that heaven/hell are in existence, otherwise there would be nothing to debate because you wouldn’t even acknowledge it. You yourself believe that I’ll never measure up to Christ, and while I’m in this human body, you’re absolutely correct, I won’t disagree with you. So again, instead of putting you down or judging you for your beliefs or what you do, I’m going to pray for you; because that IS what Jesus would do.
God Bless!
Posted by Dave on March 9, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Brandon…..the “god particle’ is the Higgs Boson. It’s theoretical at the moment but there’s substantial evidence that it should exist.
Though not in agreement, I do enjoy your approach. Well written.
You use the word ‘fact’ as it may apply to history. Well…’history’ is written by the victors and is not necessarily factual. Here’s a somewhat recent example. It’s commonly perceived that America was the decisive factor in the defeat of the Nazis in WWII. The fact is that less than 30% of the Allied ground troops in the European theater were of US origin. You can look it up. The vast majority were deployed in the Pacific. Hollywood has created it’s own ‘history’.
To accept anything in the Bible as ‘factual’ seems naive. Nothing in it, with respect to Jesus, was written during his lifetime. The earliest accounts begin 60 years after his crucifixion. You don’t see anything odd about that?
The Council of Nicaea cherry-picked all sorts of documents to create the Bible, as we know it, and discarded a good number. Why? Because….. to create a legend and a church there must be consistency.
The KJV?
“James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy.[”
There is nothing in the Bible, after millenia of contortion, manipulation and re-translation that can possibly be deemed as fact.
‘The Epic of Gilgamesh’ is older than the Bible. Do you believe it? Why not?
The ‘debate’ is over the damage religion does to society. As long as there are those willing to lock ‘n load on behalf of Jesus, Allah or whomever their imaginary being might be, we’re still cave-dwellers.
Peace
Posted by Dave on March 9, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Ps…..please don’t confuse ‘critical thinking’ with ‘hate’.
Posted by Brandon K. on March 9, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Well Dave, it’s not that I don’t enjoy talking about God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible, but I can tell that this is a waste of my time. You’ll have to forgive my inability to recall which part of the New Testament it was in, but I’m fairly certain it was written by Paul; we should not continue speaking the good word to those who seek only to distort and warp it’s teachings, this brings dishonor to God.
While I agree with you that much of the new testament was written around 60 years AD, the earliest of the Old Testament was written 1450-1410BC, by Moses. I find it hard to believe something that was written SO long ago would correspond SO well with the later times out of mere coincidence; and no I don’t believe the Bible was manufactured.
IF what you say about James is true, his instructions would have meant that it would need to stay along the same guidelines as it was originally written for the CHRISTIAN church; but reworded in a way that’s easier to comprehend in a more basic dialect than the KJV. Whatever version of the Bible you read, it all carries the same teaching, just different wording.
As far as locking and loading, I believe that very soon you’re going to see exactly what a nation of God is capable of. Israel will be launching a strike much sooner than many may think, this is what I believe anyway, and they will conquer all who come against them. Do you know why God chose the smallest country in the world to be his people? It’s because when they win, and they will, it’ll be to display how great is power is. Nobody would believe the power of God was truly amazing if a large country attacked a smaller, but a smaller attacking a much larger, and winning? You’re in for a true eye opener my friend.
Hate/Critical thinking, however you choose to look at it is up to you.. the simple fact is that you’re distorting the teachings of God and while I don’t judge you for this, I don’t support it. The same concept can be said with being friends with sinners, we may like THEM, but we’ll never like the things they do which are wrong.
Again, God Bless.
Posted by Dave on March 9, 2012 at 4:08 pm
It’s hardly the smallest country in the world. ( Vatican City is @ .2 sq. mi. ) It’s no secret they’ll be striking Iran. But then what?…..Iran will retaliate. They have 300+ missiles pointed at Israel, in the event that occurs. The opening salvos of WWIII and we’ll be sucked into it as will Russia and China to whatever degree.
This is righteous in the eyes of your God? Is he a video game player toying with human lives? Taking the OT literally it’s quite obvious He condones slavery, murder and every other manner of indignity the human race might endure…. so possibly. He has a ‘chosen’ favorite people? Whoever coined that one would be called a ‘sports coach’ these days. He must also have a favorite soft drink, movie, local eatery, blah blah.
I’d like to know if your God, in your mind, is also the creator of the universe. If so, does it not seem odd that He spends an inordinate amount of time in the mid-east cheering on the Jews as they beat on their neighbors?
By the way…Jews don’t believe in your Jesus. How did God mess up that message?
I guess they won’t be saved along with the other two-thirds on the planet who don’t buy into it. Israel will be wiped out should they attempt this aggression. That anyone would support such a vicious, little, navel-gazing aspect of humanity who are thoroughly convinced they’re somehow special….is well beyond me.
You might interpret this as hate speech. It’s not, so don’t go there. I’m an equal-opportunity critic of EVERY single religion on the planet.
As always, peace.
Posted by bartholomewsfirstrodeo on March 10, 2012 at 6:02 pm
This video is utterly ridiculous. I’ve watched this sermon in it’s entirety and everything Pastor Morris says is backed up by scripture. Funny, you conveniently left out the part where he talks about he and his wife tithing 20% every week. They have also given away their house and I believe a couple of their cars in the past. But again, conveniently left out. Pastor Morris does not manage the finances at Gateway Church, he is simply the pastor. There are others within the body of the church who take on that responsibility. You’re probably right though…he doesn’t really believe in the healing power of Christ. He doesn’t really believe what he preaches. It’s all just a ponzi scheme. He’s all about the benjamins. There are some greedy t.v. preachers out there but Robert Morris is not one of them. He rarely preaches on tithing. To call him a “profoundly evil man” is absurd. I know you’re a Bible expert and everything but you obviously don’t understand tithing. Maybe if you would show the entire sermon and watch it from an objective point of view you may have a different perspective. Maybe you would be enlightened with a little true logic. Then again… who am I kidding?
Posted by truelogic on March 10, 2012 at 10:09 pm
it is easy to make a claim and not back it up. people all around the world claim their god is real and NONE of them bother to prove it. they make millions of claims about their gods and NEVER prove them. It is rather easy for pastors collecting money to hide money and as history has demonstrated, the majority of the big names in religion are cheating the system and people. Tithing has nothing to do with money and didn’t involve money in biblical times. but hey, i’ve written about that already and provided the scriptures to back it up as i can easily prove Pastor Morris doesn’t know shit about scripture.
Posted by bartholomewsfirstrodeo on March 11, 2012 at 11:20 am
In OT times, tithing involved assets of personal value; crops, livestock, what have you. Anything that sustained your family and put food on the table…the Old Testament equivalency of income. So….how again does tithing not have anything to do with money? As much as I would love to venture through the annals of your journey into atheism, my two year old awaits me with an exciting game of hide and seek….priorities. Oh and also…”i can easily prove Pastor Morris doesn’t know shit about scripture.” Can you give me specifics? Hopefully a good rebuttal is not to much to ask for. Perhaps later i’ll have more time on my hands to further this conversation. Oh and Dave…if you happen to read this, i’m not a republican but I am a Christian and I just want to extend an apology toward you on behalf of Jayne for telling you to go back where you came from. I DO NOT believe that I have any more right to freedom than you just because of where I happened to be born. Good day and God Bless.
Posted by truelogic on March 11, 2012 at 1:16 pm
he believes only some men will be saved when scripture states all men will be saved. that is a simple example. he believes hell fire is an eternal, never ending event which scripture doens’t support either. he believes jesus is the son of god but like all christians, never proves it. just like everyone that follow one of their own gods is unable to prove their god is real or any less false than any other god.
he believes man chooses god and chooses to do evil when god clearly states all things are of him.
hell, i could go on and on. most christians don’t know scripture enough to debate it with me and when they start they usually, no…always run away from the discussion.
Posted by truelogic on March 11, 2012 at 1:18 pm
It is were possible to reason with religious people, there would be no religious people. critical reasoning isn’t something they apply to their religion or god. why? they are so fearful of the magic invisible guy in the sky and that he will torture them for eternity with fire…but of course in a loving, merciful and forgiving manner with lots of compassion. what bullshit.
Posted by Dave on March 11, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Barth…..thanks for the sentiment. Much appreciated. I may have had too much ‘fun’ in the ’60′s and I did develop that ‘world citizen’ mentality, as did many of my age. Something along the lines of “no borders…..no more wars”. Fantastical in the views of the overwhelming majority, but……not entirely impossible….some day.
Here’s an odd one. Terry Gilliam (of Monty Python) was born in the US. At some point he was invited to work in England. As it was a long-term assignment, he applied for, and received, dual US/British citizenship. He met a lass, married and began to raise a family. He was advised, at some point, to renounce his US citizenship as he was making scads of money and should anything happen to him his family would be subject to not only archaic British tax laws ( if that isn’t enough ) but tax liability in the US ,as well. He did. As a result of his indiscretion he is now only permitted to be in the US….. FOR THIRTY DAYS PER YEAR! (remember…..his family, roots and assorted relatives are here!) Average British citizens are granted 6 month visas, regularly. As are Canadians, but they don’t require any ‘visa’.
Does this smack of ‘vengeance’ or ‘retribution’ to anyone? Who are the fuck-ups who’ve run this country and decided to disallow any form of first-world immigration, nor consideration? Let’s punish dissenters? How dare they? They openly embrace every third-world application ( except them Mexicans ……. gotta build a zillion $ fence to keep those cotton/chili pickers out of here…..reality, or hyped-up public opinion?…..ask a farmer ) and all they receive in return is ghettoization in major cities and more welfare applications. ( see..’ US Immigration Lottery’ for full details )
Anyway……..fuck the Pope!
Posted by Dave on March 11, 2012 at 11:59 pm
ps…..”get out of here and go back to where you’re from” would imply we all jump on a steamship and head back to Europe, Asia and Africa. That’s where we’re all from. Certainly not representing the ‘two-way street’ madmen like Gingrich support. They haven’t a clue. ( Maybe they do? ) Certainly, far too many “American types” spewing this vitriol. Typical, of a potential ‘executive in chief’, willing to say anything to get elected. 16 dead. “Justice is done? Wish I had a rocket launcher? Of course. Wake up America!!! Hey…..I support Israel!! (joking)
The jews are adept at playing puppets. ( what’s new? ) They orchestrated 9/11 and anyone disagreeing otherwise, just speak up! ( Check out any facet of the 9/11 Truther movement should you disagree ) You’ll soon be accused of anti-semitism…….ooooh……..a term that will shortly, again ….go the way of the dinosaur. Or it should. That McCain might have anything to say of any significance is ridiculous. He’s totally senile.
Posted by Xander on March 12, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I can not find the passage that says all men will be saved. Which one are you looking at?
Posted by bartholomewsfirstrodeo on March 12, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Truth..I’m a little confused as to why Christians would run away from debating scripture with you. It’s not that i’m doubting that you know a thing or two, nor am I pretending that I know it all, but I’m not that impressed thus far with your exhibition of Biblical literacy. You’ll have to forgive me for the delayed response…I don’t have much free time to engage in cyber debates with atheists..what a pity. The examples you gave, which you didn’t back up with scripture, were pretty vague. I’m assuming you were perhaps referring to 1 Timothy 2:3-4, which states, “this is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth” (I didn’t know that off the top of my head, I had to look it up).The idea that all me will be saved is not the message being conveyed here. What Paul is telling us here is that God, who created us in His very image, who loves us beyond measure though we are undeserving, WANTS all people to be saved. “Well, if God wills it then it should and will be done”, you might say. And yes, the God I believe in and worship, who created the cosmos, has that power. But let me ask you this, do you(if you’re married..i dont know if you are or not….but if you are) force your wife to love you? And if that were the case, what kind of marriage would that be? God has complete authority over his creation but, He gives us the free will to CHOOSE Him. He desires us to CHOOSE Him. The Bible can be confusing and we may not…we do not have the mental capacity to understand it all. I have no doubt that I will always have questions to ponder so long as I am alive on this earth…but the mystery is what keeps me searching, and that is what keeps me loving Him. I believe this is a vital part of being a Christian. Unfortunately, we all too often see Christians who are Biblically illiterate, and can’t really answer the question of why they believe what they believe. I’ll talk more about that later.
But back to the subject at hand, 1 Timothy 2:3-4 is not saying that all men will be saved. The Bible teaches the contrary. There are many passages of scripture to indicate this…consider Matthew 25:46, John 3:36, or the well-known John 14:6 in which Jesus says ” I Am the Way the Truth and the Life, no one come to the Father but through me”. Clearly Robert Morris is correct in his view that not all men will be saved. He is also corect in his conclusion that hell fire is eternal. Consider Matthew 18:8 or Rev. 20:10 which states, “And the devil who decieved them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” There are places in the Bible that describe it as eternal darkness and a place where there is ” weeping and gnashing of teeth”–Luke 13:28. No matter how you want to describe hell, I would say that it’s indescribable, and I don’t want to find out for myself. Ahh..there I go being an ignorant, delusional Christain again.
As for Jesus being the Son of God, of course Pastor Morris believes this. If he didn’t he wouldn ‘t be a pastor, let alone a Christian. My ability to reason, which is obviously inferior to yours, tells me there is a God. My personal experience tells me there is a God. Creation tells me there is a God. Dave, who I can tell is a very intelligent individual, at least concedes that there must be a higher power of some sort, as he is an agnostic. Perhaps you could enertain me with your theory of the origins of life, earth, the cosmos, if you dont mind. Anyways, Jesus Christ was a real historic person. Eye-witness accounts say that he performed many miracles. Not Criss Angel magic tricks, real miracles; healing the blind, the lame, and the leper; raising the dead, healing the sick, walking on water, turning water to wine, feeding the five thousand.
I’m well aware that at this point, atheist and agnostic eyes are collectively rolling at me, but that’s ok. Eyewitnesses saw the Old Testament prophecies of the messiah carried out by him and through him. They watched as he challenged the Jewish authorities, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the establishment, if you will. He spoke with authority and drew many. He was flogged and crucified on a cross though he had committed no sin. Becoming the blood sacrifice for all sin, he willingly gave himself up for me and for you. That’s the greatest love anyone could ever posess. He was raised from the dead and appeared to many, including his apostles, displaying the same kind of resurrection those of us who love him will experience one day. He was rejected by his own people, as the Old Testament predicts. But his name and his influence live to this day. There has never been a more controversial figure in all of human history. The very fact that you spend so much time denouncing him and his followers makes the case for Christ stronger. You’re fulfilling prophesy my friend.
I pray that you’ll humble yourself as we all must and give your life to him. Just once, try to put aside all of the hostility and look at it objectively. There is a great book you should check out called “The Case For Christ” by Lee Stroblel, a former atheist. Please look into it. I can understand agnosticism, but not atheism. My opinion…If man would humbly concede to the fact that he only knows but a tiny fragment of everything there is to know, atheism would cease to exist. There is real danger in intellectual arrogance my friend…real danger. Please respond.
Posted by bartholomewsfirstrodeo on March 12, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Dave…i’d love to stick around and discuss immigration, foreign policy, etc. Unfortunately I’ve gotta run. Good day
Posted by Dave on March 12, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Barth…..millions and millions of $$’s are being spent each day in the search for the ” God Particle”, more commonly the Higgs Boson. It hasn’t been found, though theoretically, it should exist. Maybe , it doesn’t. The theoretical existence of Jesus is just that. Never proven, nor disproven. That we might rely solely on a pagan text as proof of anything, seems absurd. There are cave drawings in Lascaux, France, dating back 30,000 years, some of which are a rough depiction of what, today, we might describe as ” grey aliens”.
That , to me, is far more proof we may be a product of genetic manipulation than any Bible story could ever begin to invent. Maybe the Jews were the favored abductees at the time? I’m not a wacko…..but if you literally believe someone spent 3 days in the belly of a whale……you most certainly are.
Posted by truelogic on March 12, 2012 at 8:35 pm
there are multiple scriptures. look in tim. tell me, how can jesus be the savior of the “whole world” and then not save the “whole world”? the bible is full of scriptures supporting the saving of all men. “every knew shall bow and EVERY tongue confess that jesus is lord”. what happens when you confess? it is never too late. he said, if you thirst, come and drink freely. like i stated, the examples are never ending.
Posted by Dave on March 12, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Barth….I’m not terribly concerned with the immigration deal. Foreign policy?……Yes! I’m an equal-opportunity discriminator as to any country displaying aggression against another. I believe I recently posted this but, possibly, Barth, you didn’t catch it . I’ll do it again True, if you don’t mind?
Posted by truelogic on March 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm
you are an one of those christians that interprets scripture as they want and not as it is.
like 1 tim. “this is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth”
that is one interpretation the other is that “who will that all men be saved” and some say that will should be desires. did you ever notice the scriptures that state His will, his pleasures, and his desires WILL be done. now wouldn’t that still make that statement true that all men will be saved? use strongs to lookup the proper translations.
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (I Tim. 2:4)!
If jesus is the savior of the whole world, then do you think he will fail to save the whole world? apparently
I Cor. 12:3 says
“NO MAN CAN SAY THAT JESUS IS THE LORD, BUT BY the Holy Spirit” you see, you don’t get to decide to say jesus is lord. you can ONLY do it if you are made to do it.
“This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God Who is the Saviour of ALL MEN specially of those that believe” (I Tim. 4:10). not exclusively of those that believe.
“I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me” (John 12:32). no, he didn’t say he will draw some or only a few. he said ALL.
“To wit that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trepasses against them ” (II Cor. 5:19)
“For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified” (I Cor. 15:22). i guess god didn’t intend to say ALL because you don’t want to believe it? what a joke.
NO, you do not choose: “You have NOT CHOSEN ME, but I have CHOSEN YOU…” (John 15:16). you think you do but the bible says you don’t. you don’t like it…talk to god. not my problem.
“NO MAN CAN COME TO ME except the Father which has sent me draw hiim and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44). wow…doesn’t seem like it is your choice. maybe you should talk to god and have him rewrite some of this scriptures to fit what you want to believe.
“There is NONE that seeks after God” (Rom. 3:11b).
Oh..except the christian that thinks they do? i just didn’t read that in the scripture. but christians make all kinds of shit up, don’t they?
“For it is GOD which works in you both to will and to do of His good PLEASURE” (Phil. 2:13).
for it is impossible with me but with god all things are possible. unless people like you declare it is …right. what pride.
i can provide pages of examples of god’s word specifically stating that all men will be saved. i gave the easy ones because you are not likely able to understand anything more detailed.
if you can’t understand that revelation is symbolic then you can’t understand much of anything else in the bible. hell fire is not literal, it is symbolic and that fire is the actual fire of god himself for which everyone will be “salted”.
Posted by Michele on March 16, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I noticed, True, that you quote scripture to your own picking and choosing. If you would read the verses before and after each scripture that you quoted, you will find the TRUE meaning of what is being said in these scriptures. Like YOU said, anyone can bend and mold the scriptures to fit their agenda, and YOU are doing just that! In living my life, it has been my experience that, Those who lie always think people are lieing to them, those who steal always think someone is going to steal from them, those who cheat on others always think they are being cheated on. So you, in twisting the scriptures to your liking, always think that someone else is twisting it to their own liking as well. I will quote The Epistle of Jude now. Verses 3 – 19. (3) Beloved, while I was very dilgent to write you concerning our COMMON SALVATION, I found it necessary to write to exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once and for ALL DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS. (4) For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. (5) But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not BELIEVE. (6) And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own habitation, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgement of the great day; (7) as Sosom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them ina similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal life. (8) Likewise these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. (9) Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (10) But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. (11) Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. (12) These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves; they are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; (13) raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. (14) Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousand of His saints, (15) “to execute judgement on ALL, to convict ALL who are ungodly among them of ALL their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of ALL the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” (16) These are murmurers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain their own advantage. (17) But you, beloved, remeber the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: (18) how they told you that there would be MOCKERS in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. (19) These are SENSUAL persons, who CAUSE DIVISIONS, NOT HAVING THE SPIRIT.
Whether you like it or not, THIS describes YOU! In John 3:14 & 15, Jesus says this: (14) “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, (15) “that whoever BELIEVES in HIM should not perish but have eternal life.” You quoted John 12:32. Try reading it starting with 23 and end at 36. It explains that Jesus was prophesying of His death on the cross. Will you understand it? Probably not, if you are one of these. 2 Thess. 2:9-12 (9) The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with ALL power, signs, and LYING wonders, (10) and with ALL unrighteous DECEPTION among those who PERISH, because they DID NOT receive the LOVE of TRUTH, that they might be SAVED. (11) And for this reason God WILL send them strong DELUSION, that they should BELIEVE the LIE, (12) that they ALL may be CONDEMNED who DID NOT BELIEVE the TRUTH but had PLEASURE in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.
The condemnation comes from NOT believing that God sent His only Son into the world to die for us. Yes, it is His good WILL, that none should be lost. But those who choose not to believe that He sent Jesus to us, is lost already. Pray, in sincerity, that God will give you understanding of the scriptures, and that your eyes would be opened to see the truth of it. He will do that for you. He knows your heart and knows your thoughts toward Him. If you pray in sincerity of the heart, He will give you an answer.
Posted by Michele on March 16, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Dave, I watched the video, and I agree that we need to get out of countries where we have no business being. However, the subject of racial prejudice has been concocted by mankind himself, in his arrogance and pride to rule over others. I do not believe in the races of mankind. I believe that we are ALL ONE RACE. THE HUMAN RACE! We have different skin tones and languages, this is the only difference. Underneath the different colors we are all the same. We love, we hate, we cry, we laugh, we help, and we kill, ALL the same. Our blood all bleeds red, and no one lives in this mortal body forever. No matter where you were born, what language you speak, what the color of your skin is, we are basically ALL the same. God see’s past the color, the language, our nation of origin. He looks through to the heart of a man or a woman. Each and every one of us is loved by Him. We make up our own minds whether to believe in Him. I was not raised in a home where we went to church all the time. God was never the main issue in our home, but He was not discredited either. Therfore I was able to make up my own mind as to whether I wanted to believe or not. Even after accepting Him at a young age, I did not follow Him until many, many years later. The reason? I could look back on my life and see where His hand was in many instances of it. Although, I wasn’t following His very Word, He did not give up on me. Why? Because He IS a merciful God. Those who are condemned, have condemned themselves, by not believing in the ONE TRUE GOD. He will give you as many chances for belief as there are sands in the sea, this also goes along with forgiveness. The part that True talked about, and quoted, that we are chosen, is correct. God has chosen us to be His friend, son/daughter, joint heirs of His Kingdom. If we CHOOSE to reject this, then we are no longer the chosen. Therein lies the condemnation of those who CHOOSE to reject His Death, Burial, and Resurrection, and the free gift of salvation which is to ALL MANKIND!
Posted by truelogic on March 16, 2012 at 7:55 pm
It is nice that you have your own interpretation and in fact, it is common throughout the christian religion and other religions. that is why there are over 600 denominations of the christian religion alone….no one agrees. it is not surprise that you do not agree with me and it is no surprise that people actually believe the christian god is moral when he promises to torture billions for eternity with fire…all for the horrible, terrible act of not believing in him. but in fact, ALL will bow and confess and therefore all will be saved. I notice how christians claim that I pick and choose and yet they are the ones that pick and choose. however, the difference in me and a christian is that a christian is required to believe or be tortured. apparently, torture by fire is moral,…to a person with a rather sick and delusional mind. look up the word delusion and see what is states.
you are free to believe in scripture as you wish and you are welcome to take a book of mythical stories and symbolic meaning and claim it is literal. i have no problem with it. I will continue to expose the christian lies as I have been doing here for a long time. hey, if you believe your form of god is more real than the others, good for you. maybe you don’t realize it but millions of people believe in other gods and they all claim their god is real and the other ones are not. my guess is that none of them are real.
peace
Posted by truelogic on March 16, 2012 at 7:58 pm
merciful god…really? “yet all is of God” ….like molesting of children and killing of babies? in fact, he watches as children are molested and lets it happen. one of his churches has a history of molesting children.
in fact, scripture has god supporting abortion and the slaughter of others…oh yeah..with his moral, merciful ways? what a clown. yes, jesus is nothing more than an invisible clown but hey, you are forced to believe in him or else you will be tortured. so do as you are told. i prefer free will.
Posted by truelogic on March 17, 2012 at 7:57 am
Hey Dave, did you notice the rest of the scripture that was posted? God sends people a delusion so that they may believe a lie. I love that one because if true, then God clearly sends delusions to anyone he pleases and if that is the case he would do it perfectly. Therefore all christians could be believing a lie and what we believe could be the pure truth. There are many christians and few of us that follow the straight and narrow. michelle could be believing a lie and she wouldn’t even know it was a lie, she would claim it s the truth. she would have NO way of proving otherwise.
but we also must take into account that with all her comments about her god, there isn’t a single one that she can prove to be true. not a shred of evidence.
Posted by truelogic on March 17, 2012 at 8:03 am
something else i found interesting is that the word of God and all the holy people in the catholic church, they managed to build the largest establishment known to rape children. christians to this very day still give money to the church of rapist and child molestors. wouldn’t jesus be proud of his people. making the catholic church extremely rich while they drive around in expensive cars and ridiculous clown suits that cost more money than many families make in a years worth of salary. yes, people are dying, suffering while God’s church enjoys enough meals for their “godly” leaders to grow nice fat bellies. Just like jesus would have wanted? I love the excuses christians make for being the opposite of their jesus. they act like jesus would agree when he works and his life clearly established he was against the life style, judgement and hate preached by the church.
oh well, i am lucky i don’t have to stand before him on the last day and explain why i made excuses for such immoral behavior and why I gave money to help it continue. wow….harming the children of god comes with a big price…if i’ve read scripture appropriately.
Posted by truelogic on March 17, 2012 at 8:10 am
did you know your God supports abortion? yeah, and all kinds of other immoral and profoundly evil things. but i am sure you can make an excuse for his behavior. Hosea 13:16 … because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.
it is no wonder the christian republican party is so sexist, racist and full of hate against anyone that doesn’t do or believe like them. revenge seems to be a key “moral” among christians. just like jesus would have wanted…right? oh…i am sorry, did we expose more hypocrisy?
Posted by truelogic on March 17, 2012 at 8:14 am
god was never dicredited in your home? which God. oh yeah, your home picked a god that you determined was real. not based on a single shred of evidence, you just decided he was real. millions of people believe in other gods and in their homes they just decided their god was real. yeah, i guess you feel you are right and therefore everyone else is wrong. aren’t you special. if only the rest of the world could see how wrong they are and just believe like you. then maybe we would have more christians that support wars in other countries, even if they are based on lies. maybe we would have even more christians that excused torture. i bet jesus would like more of them because we all know jesus was never tortured..oh…wait…he was.
the actions of the majority of christians clearly demonstrate they follow satan and not jesus. and they all think they follow jesus. i wonder, could they have all been sent delusions so they believe a lie?
vote against helping other americans by providing health care…just like jesus? we know the majority of christian republicans voted against it.
Posted by Dave on March 17, 2012 at 1:54 pm
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Posted by Dave on March 17, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Hey True…..had a hacker pull into my address. I wasn’t able to respond to your remarks. These kids get a kick out of this? To what purpose? Fortunately, I live with a pc geek who finally figured it out.
A lot of writing to catch up on. I’ll be back to you shortly.
National Health Care? Should not even be an issue in ANY first-world country!!
Posted by truelogic on March 17, 2012 at 4:10 pm
glad you are back. i gave up on that hacking stuff several years ago. took so much time and often introduced other issues on my computer.
Posted by Dave on March 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm
True….You were a hacker?? For what purpose??
I spent the morning driving around picking up clothes on behalf of St. Luke’s. A little country church in the neighborhood. Supposedly they donate them to the homeless. Not too many of those in this area unless you drive out 10 miles to the nearest interstate on-ramps. I dunno. Of course, they insist upon attempting to confound you with the magik shit ( you really should be attending our services!…..Dave! ) and I’m always politely discourteous. Heck…..an excellent sandwich and a cool beverage, in the name of Je$u$, is good enough for me. These are fine people……why is it they need motivation from their imaginary God to do good works and simply can’t admit they just want to help others? Only reason I was there.
@ Michelle ( ma belle ) Let’s pretend True and I are Buddhists. Do you hate us? Are we ‘unsaved’? Do we/you care? Does that not matter to you? Just what does the ONE TRUE GOD mean to you?
Dear….in the world of true logic ( not this site ) there can be no God. Are you able to grasp and discuss that for even a moment? A hug for you!
Posted by truelogic on March 18, 2012 at 9:06 am
i only hacked for fun and to learn, see just what was possible. as the years past, it became much more involved and time consuming. i lost interest.
sucks, i need to go into the office today in an attempt to finish a project early so i can get on other projects that are stacking up. that sucks when the weather has become so nice.
Posted by Dave on March 18, 2012 at 6:39 pm
LOL. Weather here totally sucks. A complete brown-out. Can’t drive anywhere.
True…..if you wouldn’t mind, could you possibly hack into my immigration file and change my status from “despicable Canadian hoser trash” to “all-around American good guy”? I’d much appreciate it, and…..heck…..what are friends for? In return, I’ll gladly vouch for you and your cohorts as you attempt to exit the northern border WITHOUT the proper fishing permits. A dangerous venture. The $25. fine has broken many an American pocketbook, not to mention the accompanying criminal record and embarrassment involved. A sneaky deal, but we can pull it off and you could proudly return home with a trophy fish a little more substantial than some slimy catfish you might pull out of your local irrigation ditch! Yuk!
Tit for tat. Quid pro quo. Screw the office. Kids are far more important. I certainly made that mistake. Regrets hurt.
Posted by truelogic on March 19, 2012 at 10:15 pm
i wish i knew what i was doing in the hacking world but i would likely just get my ass busted in short order. things have changed too much. canadians are much smarter than us americans, at least the ones that i’ve met. i go to canada from time to time and spend lots of time there when i worked for a couple of companies in the past. not done any fishing there but plan to do it here next weekend. planning to ignore work and likely have a come to jesus meeting with a few people this week because this work shit needs to change.
Posted by Dave on March 19, 2012 at 11:25 pm
As always True….you’re a laugh and a half…..Canadians are not even remotely smarter than Americans… they simply have this ‘holier-than-thou ‘ attitude which they glom on to at every occasion. Until you can actually muster up a hockey team able to beat us, fair and square, you’re fucked. Live with it! The ‘jesus meeting’ seems a little spooky. What are you talking about here?
Posted by Dave on March 19, 2012 at 11:35 pm
I have the live-in pc geek who constantly corrects this stuff. He said I was definitely targeted by hackers. Why? I have no cc #’s available here nor anything else. Can’t these bored kids get a life? Aaaargh!
Posted by A Christian with a life on April 27, 2012 at 1:06 am
God is real. There are numerous proofs. He loves YOU everyone fo you and Hell was not meant for people it was later enlarged for them. I understand how to tithe and it is not about the money or who’s church it goes to. You must give to God not the church or you WILL Still recieve no blessing for it. 1st Timothy 4 reads in the NKJV who DESIRES all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit feel the same for you. They love You no matter what. You won’t go to hell for not tithing you Can be forgiven for everything except Blasphemy of the Holy Siprit. You have no clue how much God loves you no matter what. I pray that whatever answer you seek to Know GOD that you find it soon. Best regards to you!!!!
Posted by truelogic on April 27, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Notice how you didn’t provide any proof that your version of God is any more real than any other God. Demonstrate a proof that shows your God is real. I promise you that you can’t.
Do you think if God “desires” all men to be saved that he will not have his Desires? If you read your bible you will notice that God says he states his desires, pleasures and his will, will be done. Maybe you should read the rest of the scriptures in support of saving all men. How can Jesus be the “savior of the world” and then not save the world? Did god send him to be the savior and then Jesus is going to fail to do it?
Buddha loves you no matter what, and so does Krishna. Notice how i don’t have any proof for those comments just like you have no proof for yours. In fact, your Jesus is a copy of many God’s that came before him. Read about Krishna, Horus, Mythra and even Buddha. Notice how the Jesus story took from all those God’s. Your Jesus is a lie and as I stated, I promise you that you can’t prove that he or any of the claims that go with him are real. Just like those that claim their God (Buddha, Krishna, Zues, Horus, Mythra) can’t and couldn’t prove their God’s are real.
I challenge you to prove it. Go ahead. Yeah, run as fast as you can from this site because you have not a single shred of evidence to demonstrate anything about your God is remotely true. I promise. prove me wrong. pray, it will not work, i promise.
Posted by A Hopeful servant! on May 2, 2012 at 12:01 am
My friend I could lay hands on one of your or my dead family members and the Holy Spirit bring them back and still you would not believe me because God gave you choice. That is why all men are not saved. Jesus was fully God and Fully man. He was an example to men and a portion of the reason emphasis is placed on Jesus being Man is the fact that God Could save everyone but Satan would have no followers then where does that leave us… I would say not knowing bad things therefore not understanding that good things are good. I’m teaching my son this right now. That was one of Jesus’ main titles so thats how that makes sense. And I am learning many new truths of physical evidence of the Lord. There is dense floating ice above the north pole region that is a small example of how the pre-flood world was. This is very significant of many things from genesis chapter 1 verse six. It explains the Ice that covered the planet: 1) Increasing the O2 levels e.i. run and not grow weary swift recovery similar to o2 tanks etc etc 2) No direct sun Light Where are the largest animals today? Under water with no direct sun light dense high pressure in the water alternative to our oxygen. No direct sunlight really has affected our age and size… Look at the Mountains hills valleys the trenches of the deep the absess above magma. There used to be water in the abcess that was depressed from the earth causing a portion of the rain from the flood and the rest from the Ice shattered and melted into rain from above. The force that caused the depression also caused the hills valleys trenches and mountains it may sound outrageous but I believe it could have been an asteroid or something of a big brother to that wich hit sodom and gomora. Either way I could give more reasons but this is not he choice of what you should believe but if the Lord gave His Son Jesus Christ to Die on a Cross for your sins and He wants you to accept the Free gift of eternal life set aside for YOU!!! Bless you on your quest for truth!!! You are helping me to equip myself to strive to know more of the Lord’s awesome truths and I thank you so very much for the great tests….Please keep up the good questions. You would make a very inteligent Christian with your analysis of everything. Will be hearing from you soon I hope!!!
Posted by Err Umm on May 2, 2012 at 12:16 am
Sorry all there were some bits and pieces left out on the top half. Please forgive me. I.ll fix it next time I.m on.didn’t proof it heh heh. Later
Posted by truelogic on May 2, 2012 at 9:26 pm
FACT is you can’t lay hands on anyone and bring them back. That is just a FACT. However, if you did, then I would believe there was some power in place to cause it to happen. That would just be logical. You just choose to decide I would deny anything. FACT is you have not proof.
Another FACT is that God doesn’t give us a choice:
“You have NOT CHOSEN ME, but I have CHOSEN YOU…” (John 15:16).
“NO MAN CAN COME TO ME except the Father which has sent me DRAW HIM (notice it is not your choice, you have to be dragged) and I WILL raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44).
Notice, he will raise him up in the LAST day.
You do not seek God:
“There is NONE that seeks after God” (Rom. 3:11b).
You Christian really need to read your bible and stop just telling people what you claim is true. Stick with the facts or you lose all credibility.
“For it is GOD which works IN you both TO WILL and TO DO of His good pleasure” (Phil. 2:13).
“…, for without ME YE CAN DO NOTHING” (John 15:5).
Notice that Jesus stated that he can do NOTHING but for his father, do you think you or I can do what Jesus couldn’t do?
Do you notice how you and all religious people avoid the obvious facts and you claim that floating ice demonstrates your God is real? Really? I would suggest you put that all up in a scientific paper and put it up for review and then go collect your nobel prize because if you can prove any of it, you will win one.
Now, look at all those things you claim must have come from God. Guess what? It could be any of the Gods. Can you demonstrate that it was not some other God? No, the FACT is that you can’t.
The “free gift” we can’t accept it as i have proven with scripture above, unless the God of your bible makes us.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them” (Eph. 2:8-10).
Notice, that faith is NOT of YOURSELF, it is a gift of God. You don’t choose to believe in him, he had to do everything. That is why everyone will be saved because everything you have, including your faith, your belief, you have received.
“…and what have you that you did not RECEIVE….?” (I Cor. 4:7).
“…no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit” (I Cor. 12).
Again, you don’t choose it, it is forced on you.
“The Lord…is NOT WILLING that any should perish…” (I Peter. 3:9). Do you think some are going to perish if the lord is not willing that ANY should perish? He will have his ‘desires, his pleasures, and his will be done’. What, you don’t agree with God? Apparently.
“For the creature (that us, creation) was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him Who has subjected the same in hope.” Romans 8:20.
continue….
“Because the creature itself also SHALL be delivered from THE BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION into the glorious liberty of the children of God.”
Yes, everyone is saved because it is God that controls all we do. “yet all is of God” and “God operates all in all”. EVERYTHING is according to the will of God and that includes everything we do.
“O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself. It is not in man that walks to direct his steps” (Jer. 10:23).
Amazing, isn’t it. You can do all you want to deny your God’s word but i can go on all day and prove it over and over again….fact is, i can do that and you will still not believe because you are brainwashed into believing what you were told to believe and all you do not is work to re-enforce what you already believe instead of looking for the truth.
“Look unto me, and be ye SAVED, ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH; for I am God and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, THE WORD IS GONE OUT OF MY MOUTH IN RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND SHALL NOT …..RETURN, THAT UNTO ME EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, EVERY TONGUE SHALL SWEAR”
Notice how clearly it is stated that all the ends of the earth…be ye saved.
have you not read “i have spoken it, i will bring it to pass: i have proposed it, I will also do it”. do you not believe the word of God and that he will do what he stated? Is he the “savior of the world”. he can’t be the savior of the world if he doesn’t save the world. is he the potential savior of the world? scripture doesn’t say he is.
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, Who WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (I Tim. 2:4)!
Wow…pretty clear. Christian love to take the word “will” and say that God intended for it to be “desires”. Again, do you think God isn’t powerful enough to have what he desires? Man, you Christians underestimate your god. What, no faith?
“This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God Who is the Saviour of ALL MEN specially of those that believe” (I Tim. 4:10). Notice how he says “specially” but that doesn’t mean only those that believe…wow.
Honestly, stop teaching your child lies about a God that promises to torture billions of people with fire for not believing in him because none of us can choose to believe…we have to be made to believe and for many that will come in the very last day when EVERY TONGUE will confess. read scripture, it is repeated a few times.
“For He is our Peace, Who makes both one (that is everyone in the world), and razes the central wall of the barrier, nullifying the law of precepts in decrees, that He should be creating the two (that is everyone again), in Himself, into one new humanity, making peace; and should be reconciling both in one body to God, through the cross, killing the enmity in it” (Eph. 2:14-16).
Do you not know what this is speaking of? Do i need to continue? Honestly, i can go on for a very long time with several “witnesses” from scripture.
You can no more do what you want than the disciples could do what they wanted. Judas did EXACTLY what God planned, before ordained, predestinated would happen FROM THE BEGINNING. The disciples were like you and told Jesus they would not deny him because they thought it was their choice, their decision. Jesus told them they would deny him. They were so sure of their own ability to decide for themselves that they told jesus again, we will not deny you lord. What happened? I think you know the story. Why? Because “yet all is of God” and “god operates all in all”. it is all according to his will and again, that is why ALL MEN WILL BE SAVED.
You, like all Christian, have no ability to see the real message, the truth so you follow what you are taught which has been taught through Churches throughout the ages in various forms. Where does SATAN live? Do you know? In the church…read the bible. Where do Christian go every sunday? to the church.
“For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified” (I Cor. 15:22).
Christian believe the first part of the message but refuse the second part….why? You need to believe what you are told to believe and part of that comes from FEAR and repetitive nature of brainwashing which forces you to ignore truths or your brain just might breakdown if you are not prepared for what you can learn. It is easy to just believe what you are told, isn’t it? Let me guess, you watch fox news? they tell you what you already believe and you don’t question it, just like the church.
You think it is impossible for God to save the world but he stated that “with God, all things are possible” search in the book of matt for that one.
Honestly, if god stated that he is the potter and that he creates a vessel for honor and a vessel for dishonor, do you think the person that does evil things decided to do it on their own or did god have something to do with it? God stated that he “created the wicked for the evil day” and he even created satan to do what satan does “create the waster to destroy”. Satan was forces to do what he does and can do nothing but for the father.
now that you can clearly see that you miss the entire true message of scriptures…feel free to come back and i can teach you more but i will not give you the secret and it is clear you can’t figure it out.
Posted by Jerry on June 18, 2012 at 7:52 pm
John 8:46 Which one of you convicts Me of sin ? If I speak truth , why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears the words of God ; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God .”
Good luck, I will pray for you.
Posted by truelogic on June 18, 2012 at 8:45 pm
are you speaking of yourself. maybe it is all meant for you.
Posted by Jerry on June 19, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness , 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature , have been clearly seen , being understood through what has been made , so that they are without excuse . 21 For even though they knew God , they did not honor Him as God or give thanks , but they became futile in their speculations , and their foolish heart was darkened .
Posted by Jerry on June 19, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Romans 1:22
Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Posted by Jerry on June 19, 2012 at 12:41 pm
You accuse Pastor Robert Morris of Abusing The Ignorant Followers but it appears you are doing the exact thing that you are accusing.
Posted by truelogic on June 20, 2012 at 9:28 pm
apparently, we must believe you and bow to your “proof”?
Posted by truelogic on June 20, 2012 at 9:33 pm
“yet all is of God” and that includes evil and ungodliness. God “operates all in all” and that means that god controls the function “all in all” which means when a child is molested, god is in charge and making it happen. in fact, we know he is watching when he allows such acts to continue.
“shall there be evil in a city and the lord has not done it?” or “I god create evil” or “i created the wicked for the evil day” or “I create the the waster to destroy”. yeah, the waster is satan whom god created for the very purpose of what he does. wow…seems it is god that is responsible and that must be why he promises to save all men. go figure. would you like to attempt to debate me on scripture?
EVERYTHING is according to the will of god so apparently we can not actually be held accountable for what we do. can a leopard change his spots? no, he can’t. you might try to not only read the bible but actually understand it.
peace
Posted by Jerry on June 21, 2012 at 10:42 am
Debate scripture, nah, we can’t debate truth. Truth is exactly that, truth.
But God will show you the truth if you ask Him.
James 1:5
But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
I do pray I can call you brother one day.
Posted by k. on August 19, 2012 at 10:26 pm
what I notice on this blog is a lot of hate, lack of understanding, an attitude of vengeance and a lack of grace. you don’t see the log in your own eye and quick to see the splinter in your your brother’s eye. Wow! Isn’t it easy to accuse and condemn those who we disagree with or don’t understand. . You throw Scripture around like a football to prove your point. Do you have a home church, a pastor, a fellowship of believers? Do you all agree on everything your pastor teaches,or on every aspect the way he lives his life, how he spends his money or how much he is paid.? Are you Catholic or Protestant? Do you believe only Protestants or only Catholics will get to heaven? Do you believe only one denomination will have eternal life?God’s Word never changes. Our understanding does change as He reveals more insight to us in his word. We may have memorized scripture, or a verse and think we know everything there is to know or understand about it. then one day we wake up and can see , whole different meaning,and have a deeper understanding of what he wants us to know. I’m always a little overwhelmed and overjoyed when this happens for me. What a gift he gives to us.Wow!
Robert Morris is a gifted preacher. He began the church in his living room with 5 other couples. (sounds like a plan to get rich to me ) Some pastors become wealthy because of the community of people they serve. the amount of money a pastor earns is almost always due to the community he serves. We all need Christ, no matter what our financial status is. It must be a little harder to serve a community of affluent and wealthy people because by the worlds view they have everything. And if you have money you can buy anything and everything you need or want. Why would they need God. How easy would it be to lead people to Christ when they already believe they have all they need?
How many people have come to Christ and have a deep relationship with God,because of men like Rick Warren or Robert Morris? Do I agree with all they teach? No. but their teaching ( is Biblically based). You can pick apart what they teach to suit yourself.they have influenced more people for Christ than I will ever know in my lifetime. I believe their hearts are truly for Christ and his people first. Yes these men earn a lot of money, a by product of the people they teach and preach to. You can criticize their teachings, or you may believe they lack integrity. I believe them to be human. And I hope we all do what we can to serve our Jesus, Our Lord. One more thing. Many things here that we may believe to be true are often built on lies or halftruths. If someone says something about someone or somethings on the internet, then it must be true, right? BTW, I’ve never been to Gateway Church nor do I live in Texas. I’m not a member of the family. I’ve heard many a his teachings from his church online. there are also podcasts. Listen for yourself. read his books. consider for yourself. but don’t judge what you do not know to be actually true.
Posted by truelogic on August 21, 2012 at 11:49 am
It is unfortunate that anyone would actually worship a God that by his own words is responsible for all evil. He created evil, created satan to do exactly what satan does, he directs men to do evil and if evil happens, he claims he is the one that does it.
if a child is molested, it is of God. “yet all is of God” and “God operates all in all”. EVERYTHING is according to God’s will. Have you not read your bible? It is not moral to worship a being that not only plans, causes and rapes a child but he also watches it take place and does nothing to stop it. That is the Christian God in his own words.
A time for every matter and every event….all decided by God.
If their hearts were truly for Christ, they would do as Christ CLEARLY instructed. They don’t and you don’t. All Christians make excuses for why they don’t and they all have different excuses and make claims that they are right. Yet NOT ONE of those Christians can demonstrate their claims are true. Not one.
You need to actually read the bible instead of making shit up as you go along.
look up the word delusion and the word superstition. think about it.
Posted by truelogic on August 21, 2012 at 11:56 am
it is because of the beam in your eyes that you can not see the love in my posts. you see only what you are told and taught to see and i see beyond that. you have yet to reach my level of understanding as I am no longer a christian and have seen the truth and the lies.
we can base many teachings on the bible and that could give us an excuse to love or to murder and both can be justified through reference of the bible. the bible is written by men. did you not know this? do you have proof that any being other than men had anything to do with the bible? NO, you don’t. that is pathetic. basically, you believe a lie if you believe God wrote it.
do you have proof your god is any more real than any other god or any less false? NO, you do not.
in fact, there is historical proof that your christ is a copy, in many ways, of other gods that came long before him. that would build the case that your god is less likely real than those that came before him. just a creation of the imagination of men or the mind of delusional men. nothing more. unless you can prove otherwise. i promise you that you can not.
peace
facts are hard to deal with for those that live a life of delusion and superstition. look throughout history, religion has continued to be wrong on all matter of subjects and have never been able to remotely demonstrate any of their magical claims are true. that goes for EVERY religion. Your version is no different.
peace
Posted by Carlos on August 23, 2012 at 4:00 pm
I am sure that the person who posted this video on June 12, 2011 does not tith. He/She is in the group the pastor talks about that are in a curse and just wants other to not be blessed either. I hope God opens your eyes.
Posted by truelogic on August 23, 2012 at 7:43 pm
which god do you hope opens my eyes? oh yeah, you can’t prove any of the gods are real or any of them are false. yet we can demonstrate that your god is not likely and is nothing more than a copy of gods that came before him. I hope you will learn to open your eyes and use some critical thinking skills to see what is obvious. don’t feel bad,there was a time when I too was lost like you and actually believed there was a god. maybe one day you too will see the truth.
Posted by truelogic on August 24, 2012 at 7:29 am
“a curse” more mumbo jumbo magic stuff? this is no longer the dark ages and if you haven’t noticed, the number of people that believe in invisible beings is declining. People come around and give quick, ignorant responses, and then run away. why? because they have nothing to backup their claims of curses or invisible beings. demons, angels, devil, curses, talking snakes and the walking dead are not real. the god of the bible is an insult on human intelligence.
Posted by truelogic on August 24, 2012 at 10:27 am
a fact to a christian means it is written in their holy book, just like a muslim. and actual facts are thrown out if they are not supported in the holy book. the holy book, written by primitive men in a primitive time knows as the dark ages apparently is full of facts and not mythical nonsense and yet not a single religious person can prove any of the “facts” they claim are true about their God.
idiots shouldn’t be allowed to vote. if we got rid of idiot voters that believe in nonsense, we would have nearly no republican voters.
Posted by truelogic on September 6, 2012 at 1:29 pm
most of my life i believed in god and then i realized he wasn’t real. you decided to pick the christian god and claim he is real. many others pick another god and just like you, give reason for why their God is real. yet none of them can prove their version of a god is real. funny how that works.
Posted by truelogic on September 18, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Fact is, according to Scripture, NO ONE is going to hell. Everyone will be saved and the reason is that one can not justly condemn anyone to hell for doing what they themselves has planned to happen, from the beginning. If Robert Morris and his followers actually read the Bible, they would discover that there is overwhelming evidence that God is (if he were real) going to save all men. That God is responsible for everything, including evil (which he created). Scripture is clear that God approved a time for EVERY matter and EVERY event. If your child is molested, it is God that decided it would happen. It is God that formed the clay or the child molester to commit that vile act. It is God that watched it happen and allowed it to continue.
Thankfully, such a disgusting example of profound evil isn’t real. Sadly, many people actually believe in the shit.
Posted by truelogic on September 18, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Actually, before we discus giving money to God (the church) why not take time to first prove your God is any less false than any other God. Prove your God is real. Prove Satan is remotely true. What about demons or angels? FACT is that Robert Morris can’t prove any of his claims about God because he can’t prove his God is real. He and religious leaders have fooled their followers by getting them to accept that God is real and that it is their specific God which is real. Without any proof, therefore the other Gods are false. Ignore facts. These fucking pricks pray on the ignorant and it is disgustingly evil for them to do so.
Posted by Benjamin Richardson on October 9, 2012 at 9:30 pm
oh yeah all religious leaders fool us huh. im sure thats why people give up there lives to the lord. and actually going to the children it says god will judge you on what you know so there good there gonna be fine. you however are probably going to get molested by demons for eternity. anyways if you dont believe why do you give a fuck. your just a little boy screaming for attention from the father like all the other atheists. so sit down drink a beer and chill the fuck out before you give yourself an anurism trying to take people from god.and another thing you called christians sheep it takes a hell of alot more strength to believe in something than to run around believing in nothing and having no consequences for your actions.
Posted by truelogic on October 9, 2012 at 10:06 pm
the christian god watches children being molested, day in and day out and he does nothing to stop it. in FACT, he “approved a time for EVERY matter and EVERY event” and “yet all is of God” and “God operates all in all” because EVERYTHING is according to god’s “will”. so says the word of God. so when a child is molested, or a person is murdered or tortured, it is the christian god that made it all happen. in fact, he said “i create evil” and “i create the wicked for the evil day”. so honestly, god can not blame me for anything because he is the potter and he said he creates one vessel for honor and another for dishonor. read your bible before you make foolish comments.
why do I give a fuck? because it is the fucking Jesus Christ religion that has contributed to some of the most vile acts against humanity (read your history book). it is the Christian god that drowned most all life because he created them to do what they do. it is the christian god that attempts to force people to believe in him by claiming he will torture them if they don’t. apparently, your jesus christ is the “little boy screaming for attention” and if he doesn’t get it, his dick of a father will torture billions, including children and call it moral. it takes no strength to believe in nonsense. it takes a fool. look up the word delusional and notice how it applies completely to those that believe in invisible beings that are both good and evil. delusional people believe in the nonsense of scripture and then call the horrible crimes moral.
it takes a person that truly has to lie to themselves and accept immoral behavior and call it good. now that is fucked up. but you have the right to believe in any of the Gods. FACT is that no one can prove their version of a god is real or any less false than any other god. you don’t like facts so you believe in God. easier than thinking. called being lazy
Posted by rick on November 25, 2012 at 10:40 pm
In all my years of reading posts from different websites with religious content, I don’t believe I’ve ever read such stupid remarks from anyone as the ones made by this idiot Truelogic. I mean c’mon, look at the guys name, Truelogic, yessir we all believe you are one Intellectual about Christianity or anything else for that matter, we all believe your nonsense, RIGHT !!! What credibility do you have with anybody? More than likely, you are some 30 yr old Rebel still looking for his place in society. One who loves stirring the pot because you can’t get attention any other way than trying to prove to those who read this Crap their God isn’t real or that Robert Morris is leading his sheep astray by telling them to give 10% of their income as a Tithe. The Holy Bible, the Greatest selling book of all time by the way, clearly states Tithing is scriptural. Robert Morris is simply trying to convince those that don’t tithe or put God first that if they don’t see drastic change in their lives as all of us have who subscribe to that teaching from the Bible. I guess It doesn’t matter how many people post here about the miracles that have occurred in their lives by being healed of terminal diseases, or having marriages restored, or anything else for that matter, because of turning their lives around to follow the commandments of the only True and Living God Jesus Christ, you still are going to try and convince us it’s all BS or weak thinking. Look my friend, we are told time and time again, of those just like yourself, who will persecute those of us who believe in the Living God, so you are no surprise to any of us, just a constant reminder of the truth we been forewarned about.
If you are fortunate enough not to lose your life in the blink of an eye, and be spared from death if not but for 5 minutes, I assure you, you will reflect on all you’ve said and all the denial you are so confident about and so proud of. I wonder how confident you’ll be, minutes from taking your last breath, that you are right and we are wrong.
I’m so thankful that I won’t be faced with that choice at death because I made the choice many years ago, May 12, 1984 to be exact, when I met and committed to live my life daily for him. I have a personal relationship with him that is as real as my own name. Do you really believe, in the depths of your soul, seriously man, that you can convince those of us who know him personally that the nonsense you publish is remotely true? C’mon Dude, get a life, because when this ones over it’s over for good.
Posted by truelogic on November 29, 2012 at 12:43 am
yes, when this life is over, it is over for good. glad you see it my way
Posted by Dave on November 29, 2012 at 6:20 am
There’s a new statue in Bokura….Rick. The locals are now praying to the almighty ‘Mosquito God’ who has cursed them with dengue. ( look it up ) The universe is one mighty big swamp, eh? Of course…..we do realize these silly types must be far less evolved/intelligent than you.
Posted by Dave on November 29, 2012 at 6:35 am
ps….Rick…what ‘drastic change’ occurred in your life? I could use some of that. Imaginary Man has let me down on a few occasions. Death of a child being one. There are others. Just curious.
Posted by truelogic on November 30, 2012 at 3:33 pm
most religious people are not able to think through the logic of their own comments and see how it applies to them. just as they claim their God is real, they don’t think about the many others that claim their God is real and also have no proof to demonstrate their god is real or any less false than any other God.
they may say, god appeared before me. i’ve heard several from other religions make the same claim. they may say they saw god in a near death experience. many others following other gods make the same claim. it proves nothing other than they are brainwashed to believe in a god. typically the god they were raised with by family or society.
the intelligence just isn’t there to think through things or demand facts, evidence, proof…etc. no critical reasoning skills required with superstitions.
Posted by truelogic on November 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm
he will likely not come back to discuss as he is like the majority of superstitious idiots making claims they can’t backup. running from facts.
rick also got my age and things about me completely wrong….poor little man. but we could have figured that.
he likely believes because he is a scared little man and needs to think someone loves him and will forgive him for the immoral things he has done.
glad i don’t have those weaknesses.
Posted by djnlsn on December 6, 2012 at 7:57 pm
It appears Rick did another ‘hit ‘n run’ so common on this blog. Why can they never hold a discussion? Amazes me……why do they show up here in the first place? Amazing, as well, how many real nasty types in the hooskow get very religious…. all of a sudden. Maybe they’re scheming for a lighter sentence or someone has informed them that Jesus has the keys to the cellblock? I dunno. But..maybe…they could have realized that prior to tossing a brick through the window at the cornerstore? WWJD? ….obviously… call a glass-repair company. Not much to do in there, so I attended every denominational service, just to get out for a walk. The xtian ones were, by far, the most nauseating/patronizing. The Rasta ones were, easily, the most entertaining. Shoes-aimed-at-heads, flying everywhere. Much argument. I’m getting to the age where I’ll soon have to find a personal savior. I’m leaning towards Haile Selassie.
“Jah!”
Posted by D. V. Aguiar on January 8, 2013 at 3:03 pm
We are told in the word of GD that we will be hated by the world and that the evil one comes as an angel of light. You, through your hatred and blindness have proven both of these statements to be true!!!
Posted by truelogic on January 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm
sorry, but i don’t hate you. nice of you to make the christian judgment. christians have done that for years and there was a time they would judge someone and then hang them or burn them in the name of god. what nonsense. just like your claim of a god, you can’t prove that i hate anyone or that your statement proves anything is true….other than your ignorance in believing in nonsense.
Posted by marc on February 25, 2013 at 1:48 pm
they say the devil will know the Bible better than us. one day every knee shall bow every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!! thats every demon everyone who puts a stumbling block in front of one of these little children that means everyone!!! but when that time comes itll be too late for many! for our Lord will say turn from me for i never knew you! it would be better for you to tie a millstone around your neck and be cast into the sea rather than put a stumbling block in front of one of these little ones.
i was a non believer and after 27 yrs of being on this earth i started seeing little signs and getting these little feelings out of no where there is no doubt in my mind that Jesus is Lord i know it sounds crazy to just base my beliefs on that but it is what it is ive only been following the cross just short of a yr and i know it now more than my first day that he is Lord and i just want to get to know my big strong heavenly father more every day! this palm sunday will be a yr and all i can say is thank you Jesus and i will be praying for all of you! you faithful Christians blessed are those who are persecuted in his name… and for the others shame on you for throwing down these stumbling blocks for no good reason… i can tell someof you even believe in God you know you feel it whether you want to admit it or not. you clearly have some void in your life but our heavenly father can help you with that. i love you all and ask blessings upon you all.
Posted by marc on March 6, 2013 at 1:06 pm
judging by one of your other blogs youve written me off as spam…. welll im sure you atleast read it
and im fine with that i dont need any recognition on this blog.
Posted by Jim on March 10, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Maybe this was addressed earlier but I did not read through all the posts. As a believer, I have tithed at each and every one of the five churches I’ve attended over the last twenty-four years, so Robert’s message of a blessed life was already part of me before I started attending Gateway, or ever knew of him. What attracted me to Gateway were the ministries, specifically the single mothers’ ministry and their international ministries (specifically in Africa). Gateway also supports, financially, a foster and adoptive family support group where my wife sits on the board. They also support a women’s crisis housing ministry where I sit on the board. We are volunteers in those ministries and receive no monetary compensation. I’m not sure if you are aware but Pastor Robert does not receive a salary from Gateway. He earns the bulk of his income from book sales speaking engagements, and other personal activities. Also, Gateway does not pass the plate, tithes and offerings are given by free will. If I am being duped then I willfully accept the outcome. By my choice, and I’m thinking we all like choice, I have faith that the red letters in Matthew 23:23 support any Old Testament claim of the tithe. On top of the tithe, my wife and I post another 10% to ministries focused on orphans and widows. I can’t speak for anyone else, but as for us, we feel immensely blessed and will serve the Lord Jesus Christ.
Posted by Jim on March 11, 2013 at 12:03 pm
I did some further research. Pastor Morris does not take a salary at Gateway and all the proceeds from the book “The Blessed Life” go directly to the Church. I attend Gateway, my wife and I have decided to live well below our means and debt free. That allows us to tithe and give to many other ministries outside of Gateway. I’m inspired by the people of Gateway as many families give well above the amount we do. Gateway, and its people give generously, domestically and internationally, to the poor, single mothers, widows, orphans, children in crisis,and many more.
Posted by Melissa Kay Bohm on March 17, 2013 at 9:07 am
This page is a complete joke. That was 30 minutes of my life that I will never get back……
Posted by truelogic on March 23, 2013 at 8:02 am
yet you don’t provide the evidence just like pastor morris can’t backup any of his claims about his god/religion. funny how that works. interesting that pastor morris has everything he could ever want in life and more in worldly things. Steve Jobs didn’t take a salary at Apple but he made millions, maybe billions.
Christians keep putting up buildings and monuments like giant crosses that cost 100′s of thousands to millions of dollars, while children die of hunger and lack of clean water. I am sure that is what Jesus would do…haha. People all around the world give large amounts of money to help others. i would suggest you look at the overall organization of gateway and other large religious leaders. good luck, they don’t have to report shit on their money and have often been shown to be corrupt and lying to their followers, the world. But you go ahead and follow.
Posted by truelogic on March 23, 2013 at 8:04 am
it is interesting that people can go to college and get a degree to teach a superstition and have a license to make nearly any type of comment and claim they do it in the name of their specific god so therefore it must be respected and believed. despite the lack of ANY evidence to demonstrate ANY of the gods are remotely true. poor fools
Posted by truelogic on March 23, 2013 at 8:09 am
they say the devil will know the bible better than us. many religions say many things about their gods and demons/devils and yet NONE of them can backup their claims. superstitious nonsense.
the bible doesn’t say it will be too late and yes, according to scripture, EVERYONE will be saved. demons, devils and the worst of the worst humans. Why? Because Yet all is of god and if all is of God then how can he justly torture and burn others for doing what he had planned to happen from the beginning.
“god operates all in all” “yet all is of God” God “planned everything” from the beginning to “include the ending”. God “before ordained all things”. “predestinated according to HIS will”
you are the clay and you do exactly what he decided you would do. he forms a vessel for honor and for dishonor. get it. pretty clear. that is if you believe in superstitious nonsense.
most christians just believe what they are told to believe and if they don’t exactly agree with the way they are told to believe in their god, they just ignore it and believe how they want. what a joke. what a life of a lie.
Posted by Jeremiah on April 4, 2013 at 3:36 pm
This site breaks my heart for you folks. This is nothing but a tool for the Enemy to use for deception and evil…a place of filth, lies, and betrayal to Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior of all people. Do not be ashamed or judged, we cannot do that to each other, that is only God that can judge. However, you can still turn away from your sins today by rebuking the enemy and repenting your sinful ways and bringing this to Christ. Christ died for you and will forgive you and you will then have a relationship with the Father. We are all unclean and sinful, but through Christ you can have a relationship with God. He is the only way, the truth, and the life…no one comes to the Father except through Christ. I pray everyone here that does not know the Lord, comes to know the Lord and become saved. God Bless You all, I pray the blood of Chris over you and anoint you in your walk with Christ. You will be forgiven if you do this, I promise you!
Posted by truelogic on April 6, 2013 at 10:15 am
Funny how you can’t prove this site is a tool for the enemy. Funny you can’t prove jesus christ is a lord and savior of anything. religious types love to make claims they can’t substantiate with a single shred of evidence or facts or proof…NOTHING.
If a person sins or if a person repents it is not because they decide to do so. If you read the bible that you apparently ignore you will notice that you can do NOTHING but for the father. Even Jesus, could do NOTHING but for the father. do you think you have some power that jesus didn’t have? I can not believe in good or have faith or repent unless he decides i can. “yet all is of God” and “god operates all in all”. to operate means to control the function….do you get it?
all you make is claims and I backup my claims with evidence, examples from scripture.
it is sad to see people come here and claim to be christians when they have no idea what it means to be a christian. when they have no desire to actually do as Jesus did or as he instructed. you clearly don’t do as Jesus instructed but like to pat yourself on the back and claim you believe while you are really only pretending to convince yourself.
read what Jesus asked you to do and then do it. I promise you that you will not. I promise you that you will make excuses for why you fail to do as he asked and taught. why, because in your heart you don’t really believe it. you just live in fear of what might happen if you don’t pretend.
it isn’t difficult to do as jesus instructed and taught….so why don’t you do it. it is honestly very easy.
fake christians are everywhere and I’ve yet to meet a true christian. a true follower of christ.
Posted by headman on April 6, 2013 at 1:41 pm
fucking freaking freaking freaking this is all so confusing
we are all dead unless the gods save us….
the purple rain is exploding in the red sky over the town of not available.
Busy signal alert alert
Posted by John Meeks on May 8, 2013 at 7:52 am
But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities; the need to obtain peace and well-being for us was upon Him, and with the stripes that wounded Him we are healed and made whole. All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned everyone to his own way; and the Lord has made to light upon Him the guilt and iniquity of us all. Do you know of Whom I speak everyone? It is Jesus. 770 years before He was born. There is no way He could have manifested all these things to come upon Him by the decisions of others, yet it happened. By Him we are made whole, apart from Him we do not what we wish to do, but what we do not wish to do. You can read that in Rom chapter 7. Read 6 and 8 as well. I wish you all the best and hope that you will find the answers you seek. Which is Matthew 7:7. May Love and Joy be with you always.
Posted by truelogic on May 22, 2013 at 5:47 pm
unfortunately, you can provide not a single shred of evidence or a single fact that demonstrates your god is any more real than any other claimed god or gods throughout history. but you are free to imagine any invisible beings you want. if you believe there are angels, ghosts, spirits, demons, devils and gods….that is your right…even if you can’t prove it and even if that makes you by definition…delusional.