Scriptural FACT: God Will Save EVERYONE!

Apparently God the Father loves us so much that he will torture us with fire forever…over and over again.  What bullshit!!  This Fischer guy knows NOTHING about Scripture and I would be happy to debate him on the subject any time.  I can demonstrate through Scripture that he is full of shit.

Christian Republicans do NOT want others to know what the Bible actually states and they will twist the words of the Bible so they can fool the dumb sheep through fear and lies.  Just like they do in politics.  However, the Bible is full of Scripture that supports the title of this post.  Yes, God apparently plans to save all men.  If you don’t believe me, just read God’s “word”.

“God our Saviour who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (I Tim. 2:3-4).

The word all is all inclusive and we can see that the Scripture didn’t say “will have almost all men saved”.  Christian will often argue that the word “will” is mistranslated (while they ignore actual mistranslations) and they will claim that the word will should be replaced with the word “desires”.  God desires that all men will be saved?  Really, does that change anything if it were true?  Do they think that if the most powerful being every created desired that something happened, that it wouldn’t happen?  If God desires anything then that which he desires will happen.  In fact, Scripture spells it out that he WILL have all his desires and his pleasures.  Christians basically tell their God that he can not have his desires or his pleasures or his will to be done.  I guess they need to throw out that “my will be done” Scripture as well?

And He is the propitiation  for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world (I John 2:2)!

Again, Christians ignore the clear meaning of this Scripture and claim that God is only the propitiation for the sins of those that believe.  You know, only a few.  And in the Christian mind the “few” apparently means several million.  I guess we need to redefine the word few as well?  haha.

“For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who IS the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe (I Tim. 4:10).

Notice it doesn’t say only those that believe but instead states “specially of those that believe” which doesn’t mean exclusively those that believe.  Again, notice the ALL MEN…that means everyone.

“…I came not to judge the world, but to SAVE the world (John 12:47).

Apparently Christians think Jesus will fail to do what he stated he would do.  Again, it doesn’t appear they have much faith in their God to do what he states.  Jesus never said anything against gays and yet Christians seem accept that gays are an abomination….odd they would pick some Scriptures that allow them to hate and call them true.  But Scriptures that would mean good news for everyone, Christians are ready to call their God a liar and a failure.

What idiots!!!!

“…we have heard Him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD (John 4:42).

Apparently Christ isn’t the savior of the world.  He must be the savior of only part of the world.  But why wouldn’t he just stated he is savior of part of the world?  That is a pretty big mistake from the word of God but apparently Christians know what Jesus will do, better than what Jesus himself knows.  Do they think they are Gods?  Seems so.

“And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD (I John 4:14)!

Hey God, apparently you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.  Check with your Christian followers because they seem to think Jesus is going to fail to save the world and even though you sent him to save the world, you are going to fail to accomplish that which set out to do.  I wonder which one we should believe….God the Father or Christians?

“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners; of whom I am chief (I Tim. 1:15)!

I am sorry God but your word must be wrong and you are clearly going to fail to do what you came into this world to do.  Just ask your Christian followers if you want to know the truth.  They wouldn’t lie…haha.

“For the Son of man is come to seek and to SAVE that which was lost (Luke 19:10)!

Yes, that would be everyone.  That which was lost would include EVERYONE….do you get it Christians?  Doesn’t matter what anyone does, they will ALL be saved and that is according to the word of God and not according to the Christian distortion of Scripture.

“The next day John sees Jesus coming unto Him, and says, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world(John 1:29).

“God our Saviour, Who will have all men to be saved” (I Tim. 2:4).

Jesus said: “And I, if I be lifted up ( You know, on the Cross/up to Heaven) from the earth, will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME” (John 12:32).

It is perfectly clear that Scripture supports the statement I have made in the title of this post.  Why is it that Christians want to claim Jesus will not do what his Father sent him to do?  Why is it they need to lie?  Is it a big business that they use to drag money out of the dumb sheep?

Christians think it is impossible for all men to be saved because they don’t understand the full context of the Scriptures.  Again, God doesn’t agree with them on what can and can not be done.

“Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, with men this is impossible; but with God ALL THINGS are possible” (Matt. 19:25-26).

As you can see, I have destroyed the claims of Christians all around the world.  And it was rather simple to do….one only needs to read with an open mind and not buy the bull shit that their christian leaders use to threaten them with eternal torture by fire.  If they read the Bible they would see that this Fire is symbolic and is actually the all consuming fire of God himself.  Used to purify man.  Yeah, it is that simple.

Any Christian that attempts to dispute what I’ve stated here, I can and will expose their lies using Scripture.  According to their God’s word, he WILL save everyone and “EVERY tongue shall confess Jesus Christ is Lord” and we all know that if you confess Jesus Christ is lord, than you are saved.

Peace to all

37 responses to this post.

  1. “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men…Full well you reject the commandments of God, that you may keep your OWN TRADITION” (Mark 7:7 & 9).

    Christians love to claim they follow Jesus as they then support wars based on lies and make excuses for torture while they vote against providing health care to those in need. There isn’t a Christian alive that isn’t a hypocrite. Love your enemies, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, sell all your possessions and give to the poor and yet they vote to spend trillions on war and torture. Wow, Christian Republicans can’t be trusted and now we have a Christian Mormon Republican that is running for president that is full of more shit than your general Christian. Mormons believe in “magic underwear” that can protect them from harm if they wear it. Really, can you believe that shit? A possible president actually believing in such superstition nonsense? That is just fucking dangerous.

  2. True….your knowledge and insight is truly awesome. You should be out there in a public forum, a little more visible than a website. These fuckheads DO get elected Prez because the majority of thinking Americans are just WAY TOO complacent. Were I able, I’d be in the streets right now, expounding your/our thoughts and values. Big-time. Unfortunately, that would get me deported, in a heart-beat.

    The US has, within it’s power, the ability to end all war in the world, right now. Should Mittens ( good one hp! :-) ) be elected Prez the misery and suffering will carry on for another generation. I’d prefer Obama stay right where he is, but if not, the only inkling of intelligence on the other side of the fence seems to be Ron Paul. Your thoughts, guys?

    On the perfect ‘Planet Dave’, hp would be relaxing, smoking cigars, while residuals from his #1 bestseller were rolling in and True, being Prez, would invite us over to the Rose Garden every weekend, for beers. :-D

  3. don’t go and get yourself deported. I think I too would prefer obama remain where he is. all the other choices scare me. for that louis armstrong video…great choice and happens to be one of my favorites and my wife’s too.

  4. Thanks True……sincere love to you and the Mrs. :-D Keep that brain ‘aworkin’ We enjoy it!. :-D

  5. Posted by Heather on February 29, 2012 at 9:38 am

    I respectfully do not agree with you, though I think you are very brave tackling the faith and the politics of many Christiansat the same time. If you were born and lived on a deserted island with nothing but your bible the world would look very different than the world we live in. You are very quick to judge the “Christian Politicians” for their injustice to “twist the words of the bible”, but you have done precisely the same thing, my friend. I have been where you are and then I decided to throw away all teaching and read the bible for myself. I suggest, in love, that you do the same.

  6. and you judge me and assume I haven’t read the bible. would you like to debate the scripture with me? tell me what i have twisted and i promise you I can backup my claims and demonstrate that what you think i have twisted is EXACTLY what the scripture states. apparently you read the bible so that it agrees with what you already believe instead of objectively based on what it states. if you are a christian, you have no choice but to believe …OR ELSE and that is not an objective position. however, the bible is extremely clear that all will be saved and if you can prove to me they can’t, using scripture, go ahead. I can promise you that I will destroy your argument using scripture.

    also, i used to be a christian and i used to read the bible from the Christian perspective and then as i read it more and more and actually took time to look up the meaning of the greek and hebrew translations along with the early scriptures that are different than your good ole kjv…well, there is lots to learn.

    tell me, how to the christian republicans do what jesus stated? I can also prove that they and every christian i know of is a hypocrite if they claim to follow jesus. because NONE of them are like jesus, do as jesus did or do as jesus instructed. but they claim to have tired or are trying and that is just an excuse…another lie

  7. fact is, EVERYTHING you base your belief on (God), you are unable to demonstrate is remotely true. just like every other claimed god. you might be wise to spend more time providing some evidence that your god is remotely true…i promise you that you can’t. but you can make yourself believe there is evidence like you can make yourself believe your god is real.

  8. At least you are respectful. I know this one guy that tells me I must believe has he tells me or he will have me tortured for eternity by fire. I just can’t handle that kind of disrespect.

  9. Posted by Michael on May 22, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    great post dude really cheerd me up my gf was trying to convert me saying i was going to hell it was putting me under alot of stress thank you

  10. it seems not too many christians actually read the bible and when they do, they take symbolic meaning and make it literal. the bible is full of symbolic meanings, metaphors. they don’t tend to like to discuss such things logically or based on scripture.

  11. Posted by Clinging to Christ on August 20, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    What about verses like Matthew 11:23-25. Scripture tells us that it isnt over for the people who lived in Sodom although God burned them down to the ground. I find it easy to believe that a “Living God” and Loving Father is able to flood the world or burn it to the ground because He is also capable of raising it back up. I trust verses that say that Jesus is going to make all things new. If we love our neighbor as we are commanded to do and treat everyone as a child of God, dearly loved and part of Gods creation the world would be a better place.

  12. God’s before the Christian God gave guidance on how to treat others. Christ isn’t original creation but only a copy of many gods that came before him. The verses are all written by men, simple fact.

    If scripture was true then ALL EVIL is of God and he plans for ALL EVIL which would include a child being molested,the rape of a woman or the murder of someone else. Yet all is of God, according to the Bible.

    You can make all the excuses you want but that doesn’t make your God real or any other God less false. That is a fact.

  13. What about Judas? Jesus said it would have been better for him not to have been born at all, are we to think that Judas is in heaven? My understanding is that God offers ALL men the gift of salvation but man has free will and can choose not accept the gift. It is not God that rejects man but man that rejects God. I also understand that God created man with his “imprint” on man’s heart. I believe everyone has a stirring to understand God as this was put their by God. The problem is that man will close their hearts and not pursue this. In Genesis 3 the Devil distracted Eve and then put the doubt of the word of God in Eve. This is the same tactic he uses so successfully today. We are too busy (distracted) to pursue truth and society has so successfully created doubt about the reality of any “spiritual” truth at all.

    Also, if everyone is saved then why do we all not throw caution to the wind and pursue the most radically hedonistic lifestyle of which we could conceive?

  14. If God is moral, just, and righteous then yes, Judas will be saved. Judas did exactly what God wanted him to do. EXACTLY what God planned. EVERYTHING is according to the will of God. Scriptures are clear. “yet all is of God” and “God operates all in all” and God is the potter making a vessel for honor and a vessel for dishonor. Scripture tells us that God “created the waster to destroy” do you know what that means? God created Satan to do exactly what satan does. you and Jesus can do NOTHING but for the father. Scripture after scripture makes is clear god planned everything “from the beginning”, to “include the ending”.

    I can tell you why I don’t throw caution to the wind and pursue the most radically hedonistic lifestyle i could conceive….because I am moral and don’t need a magic invisible man to keep me from doing immoral shit.

  15. you stated: “It is not God that rejects man but man that rejects God. I also understand that God created man with his “imprint” on man’s heart. I believe everyone has a stirring to understand God as this was put their by God.”

    This is what you believe and this is what you can not prove as a fact. you can not provide a single shred of evidence to demonstrate it is remotely true. that is a fact. just because you believe something, doesn’t make it fact.

    God is the one that decides if you will reject him or not. I can’t believe christians don’t read scripture. just believing whatever it is they want to believe without a fact to backup their claims.

    “There is NONE that seeks after God” (Rom. 3:11b).
    Scripture is clear. Is it not. You don’t believe it?

    “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that (faith) is not of yourselves; it is the GIFT OF GOD” (Eph. 2:8).
    you CAN NOT have faith unless god gives you that gift. I can’t not have faith or believe in a God if God doesn’t make me. Clear?

    “…and what have you that you did not receive….?” (I Cor. 4:7).
    as clearly stated in the previous scripture, you receive you faith, and what is there that you don’t receive?

    “For it is God which works in you both TO WILL and to do of His good pleasure” (Phil. 2:13).
    Holy shit, did you read that one? How many examples do you need?

    YOU and NO ONE chooses God. Just as you do not seek him.

    “You have NOT CHOSEN ME, but I have CHOSEN YOU…” (John 15:16).

    “NO MAN CAN COME TO ME except the Father which has sent me draw him and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44).

    Do I need to go on? You and I and NO ONE has anything to do with our own salvation or our action.

    Tell me, do you understand the following scripture?

    “For of a truth against Thy Holy Child Jesus Whom thou (God) hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel (wow), were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand (hand of God), AND thy counsel (God works all things according to his counsel and his will) determined before (it was all planned) to be done” (Acts 4:26-28).

    You, like many christians can attempt to call god a liar and say that is not what he means but I can go on and on with examples of just how it is God (from scripture) that is in control of everything.

    Christians don’t think this follow scripture applies to them. Not one christian would admit to it:
    “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men…Full well you reject the commandments of God, that you may keep your own tradition”(Mark 7:7 & 9)

    Always ignoring what Jesus would do, what Jesus taught, what Jesus instructed and doing what man himself is comfortable with doing while making excuses for not doing as outlined in scripture.

  16. You can’t repent unless God MAKES you:
    “Or despise you the riches of HIS goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?” (Rom. 2:4).

    God has to lead you to repentance which clearly shows it is not of your own free will that you repent.

    You can’t claim or say that Jesus is Lord unless you are made to do so.
    “…no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit” (I Cor. 12). has nothing to do with your own free will to decide to say Jesus is Lord.

    “Then said Pilate unto Him, Speak you not unto me? Know you not that I have power to crucify you, and have power to release you? Jesus answered, You could have NO POWER AT ALL against Me, except it were GIVEN YOU from above…” (John 19:10-11).

    Even Jesus had no power but for the father to do anything. You think you do? Honestly? You have power that Jesus didn’t and others didn’t?

    “Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.” Jer. 13:23
    Do you understand that scripture?

  17. Don’t you believe Jesus died for the sins of the world? The whole world? Scripture tells us he did. The whole world would include Judas, wouldn’t it? Or do you think Jesus will fail to do what he was commissioned to do by God?

    Adam and Eve already had the doubt and lust in their hearts before Satan ever came around. They were perfect….perfect for the purpose for which God created them.
    “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin: and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”

    “For the creature (man) was made subject to vanity NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of Him (God) Who HATH SUBJECTED the same in hope. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the WHOLE CREATION groans and travails IN PAIN until NOW” (Rom. 8:20-22)!
    Do you understand that?

    “Let the DEAD bury the DEAD.” Do you understand this? Two types of death? Spiritual and Physical. The Spiritually dead bury the physically dead.

    Most Christians can’t comprehend the basics of scripture. what is symbolic and what is literal. what has alternative meaning and what doesn’t and they are happy to push their personal belief as if it is fact or scriptural fact when they are truly ignorant of such.

  18. Rom. 9:16-18 “So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy…….So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.”

    My guess is that like many Christians, it would not matter how often I provide God’s word in support of what I’ve stated. Christians deny it. They deny their own God’s word. Howbeit in vain.

  19. Can you explain free will? It seems to me you think we are all puppets and God is the puppeteer. Does God control everything you think and or do? Please let me know if my assumption is incorrect…I truly desire to understand your perspective.

  20. No, i can’t explain free will. No, we are not puppets, in my opinion. However, is scripture is true then we are the puppets of God. He is the potter and we are the clay and he forms one for honor and one for dishonor. Isn’t that what scripture tells us? scripture also states that God predestinated all things according to his will and that he before ordained all things. it isn’t me that makes the claim that man has no free will. it is god’s word. But then again, we can’t prove any of the Gods are real or any one less false than the other. Therefore, the “word of God” is also not likely true.

  21. Ok Brian Back, do you think God doesn’t control everything? Do you think he didn’t plan EVERYTHING from the beginning to include the ending? What do you think about this:
    “In Whom (whom, that would be god) also we have obtained (‘obtained’, not earned, or taken, or developed) an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED (‘destiny’ was ‘pre’ arranged by God, not you or me or anyone else) according to the PURPOSE OF HIM (not because you have free will to cause it) Who WORKS ALL THINGS (everything) AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL (not your free will)” (Eph. 1:11).
    This is but one scriptural example demonstrating what I’ve stated and it is a rather profoundly powerful one, if I do say so myself. It didn’t say “not being predestinated according to the purpose of him who works some things after the counsel of our will”. Did it?

    If you read the bible you will see that it clearly stated that God created everything and planned everything from the BEGINNING to include the ENDING. Do you think you have free will to change what God already planned? Do you, like many Christians believe, think you have some power to change God’s plan and will?

    “For it is God (with, what did it say? Did it say GOD!!!) which works in you both TO WILL and TO DO of His good pleasure” (Phil. 2:13).

    It didn’t say it is God that that works in your sometimes thus allowing free will and then sometimes cause you to do of his will and of his good pleasure….did it? Did I read scripture wrong brian back?

  22. I think there are reasonable arguments to all of your claims. But before I tackle those arguments I would be greatly aided by understanding what it is you believe…if anything. Can you share you belief system?

  23. I can start with what I don’t believe. I don’t believe in any of the God’s that man has claimed throughout civilization as there isn’t a shred of evidence to indicate any of them are remotely true. Especially the Jesus Christ story which is just a copy of other God’s that came long before him.
    The advantage I have is that I don’t have any belief system and therefore can look at all this from a more objective point of view. The Christian or Muslim is not able to do that. Why? If they deny their God is real or even entertain the idea, they fear, FEAR what might happen to them and they look so forward to that wonderful place called heaven. Heaven is so much better than the claimed torture by fire for eternity. Fact is, that it is impossible for a Christian or Muslim to say their God is not real. FEAR is a driving factor. I am free to doubt or not, nothing happens to me or at least I am positive it will not happen to me. Oh yeah, I used to be a Christian for a large portion of my life and I’ve had an average life, no major ups or downs so nothing drove me from believing in one of the Gods, except education and common sense that comes from a long life of believing in nonsense.
    peace

  24. So are you are an atheist? You believe in no God? Or, do you believe in a God that you created in your own mind?

  25. I wonder what is reasonable to believe. The number of Gods claimed by men throughout the history of men is so large that it would fill pages. The number of claims made about those god’s would fill volumes. the god that christians claim is real is just one, and NOT the original, of Gods claimed by men. They are all invisible and have superpowers. I can see, yeah, that is reasonable to suddenly believe in your God. We’ll just ignore the fact that statistically people that believe in a God were typically raised in a society that taught of such a god or born to families that told them their God was true. Yeah, for Christians it is reasonable to believe in all that and NEVER have ANYONE provide a single shred of evidence to support what they are told about their God or other Gods.

    Christians hate it when they are told their God is not true and yet they don’t believe in any of the other Gods. The fact of believing in the Christian God is denying allah is God. Christians have no argument. A christian can tell me that i can’t believe in God for so many reasons. that I am not seeking god or trying to know him and that is why i can’t see the proof. guess what? we can say the same to a christian that doesn’t believe in allah or krishna or any other God. Christians have NO argument in support of their God being any less false than any other God. that is a fact. if you had it, you would have provided it. if you had proof of your God you would have provided it.

    Instead, like many christians you attempt to frame the discussion. In science, we don’t do that. we provide the evidence, publish the work and let others check it, test it, verify it before it becomes reasonably acceptable.

    christians or any other religious group does that. they just make claims and when you point out the problem with their claim, they make another claim they can’t backup and it goes on and on and on. if science followed that rule then we would still all be dying of the black death and living in the primitive times as primitive people writing about superstitious, invisible “white” gods that are all powerful and do magic stuff.

  26. True Logic. You chose an interesting name for yourself. In light of your name you either can’t or won’t answer my question. It sounds like you are an atheist, but I do not want to assume anything…only you can provide the facts on your own beliefs…and I am very interested to know.

    By the way, the proof the church uses as the basis for our faith is very scientific. I will be happy to share the science if you would be so kind as to share your beliefs.

  27. If you don’t want to show the proof of your version of God as being real and any less false than any others, that is your choice. I doubt that I haven’t already studied your “proof”. Christians come up with all kinds of stuff and often call their “proof” scientific. Then we should be able to test it and make the same tests of other Gods. I can promise you that you do not have a shred of evidence or proof that your God is any more real than any other. Apparently, it seems, you are not too anxious to educate others about how real your God is. I mean, if you have proof, it would be a no braining to just tell the world. Go ahead, prove it. I promise you can’t. prove me wrong.

  28. I desire nothing more than to share the truth. However, doing so through a veil of manipulation does not work. You could help remove the veil by simply explaining what it is you believe. You already know what I believe so let’s level the playing field…fair?

  29. Read my blog and you can see basically what I believe or not. Jesus didn’t go around telling people that he first needed to know what you believe before he could discuss his message with you. Jesus didn’t need to “level the playing field”. Nor did any of his disciples. I’ve never attempted to manipulate anyone or anything but only blog about what I think, believe, observe …etc.

    If you have a God and that God is real then go ahead and be happy to show the world your God is real. Demonstrate to the world that your God is the only real God and that all the others are not real. Go ahead. If you could do it, you would. Fact is you can’t. So you play little games with words and you are the one attempting to manipulate the discussion.

    You do not need anything from me in order to prove your God is real. Do you? That is just a pathetic excuse. An absurd argument and you know it.

  30. You waste an inordinate amount of time attempting to get me to tell you what I do or do not believe. If you really wanted to know you would read many of my posts and comments. It makes it clear, doesn’t it?

    Interesting that you waste so much time on me when you could be showing the world, and those that happen past my blog, that your God is more real than any other God and in fact all the other Gods are not real.

    You have yet to backup your claims of a God and yet attempt to put it back on me. I’ve run across this throughout my life when dealing with people that make claims, false claims, and are unable to back them up.

    Christians claim their God is real and then ignore the FACT that they can’t prove it and move on to additional outrageous claims about the God they can’t show is real. He lives in heaven, is everywhere, there is a hell, people will be tortured for eternity in hell fire, there is a satan, there are angels, there are demons, mountains can be moved if we just ask in the lords name and believe, etc. Christians go on and on about their God and NEVER, EVER provide a single shred of evidence to demonstrate their God is real or any less false than any other claimed God or superstition.

    Here are some words that might help you think through your claims before just spouting at the mouth and proclaiming it is true. Honestly, if you can’t prove it then it is reasonable for anyone to call you a liar.

    Superstition: excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural being

    Myth: a traditional story, esp. one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

    Cults: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object

    Delusion: an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder

  31. A few additional definitions that may help you before you make false claims. I am so nice and care for you so much that I don’t want you to be a liar so try to think of what is actually true and what is not. What is reality and what is imaginary or delusional. I feel sorry for anyone that is stuck in the lie you live and wish there was a way to help you out of it. Unfortunately, I don’t have that professional experience but hope you will seek it for yourself. It might be helpful to take some classes on the history of religion. Take a couple semesters and you might have your eyes opened for you. You know, listen to facts as apposed to claims.

    Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid

    True: in accordance with fact or reality

    Reality: the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them

    Fact: a thing that is indisputably the case

    Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement

    Idealism: the practice of forming or pursuing ideals, esp. unrealistically

    Notice the word evidence. Scientist provide endless volumes of research, facts, examples, evidence for evolution and yet Christians, in the majority, claim evolution is wrong. However, christians NEVER even attempt to provide a single shred of evidence proving their god is any less false than any of the other 1,000′s of God’s claimed throughout time. Christians can’t prove their God is any more real than a cult god or superstition. Yet is never stops them from making absurd claims about their ridiculously amazing and magical invisible God and all his capabilities and promises. When we ask them for evidence, and I would expect volumes of evidence, they come up empty handed.

    Evolution at least makes logical since and isn’t something that is completely outrageous as it is based on facts. So if science/evolution provides volumes of evidence in support of their claim, how much more should the logical person expect from religion? Maybe i should just make a post dedicated to you brian back and let you prove your God is real. would that help you?
    peace

  32. Truelogic, Do you know of the teenager that tears down their rivals with hateful words and speech? Doing this somehow makes the teenage perpetrator feel better, more important, smarter, or whatever. This kind of rivalry speak is understood by a mature person as rooted in insecurity; that is, we tear down our rival to elevate ourselves. You have asked me to look to your blog for an answer to my question on what it is you believe; in doing as you requested I am sorry to say I found the insecure teenager.

    What I had hoped for in engaging in this discussion is an honest (human to human) interchange of ideas and respectful dialog. I still hope for this. If you are willing to plainly identify who you are and what you believe (I know what you don’t believe) I am very willing to engage with you in an ongoing conversation. Otherwise, you are right in saying we are wasting time.

    Also, Jesus would not answer questions under a veil of manipulation. Although I will never profess to be a bible expert I do read and listen to the great exegete’s that have given their lives to the study of the material. Experts that have handed down understanding for 2,000+ years. Experts that surround us today. Mark 11:27-33 will demonstrate Jesus’ attempt to flush out manipulation. This is but one example. How many times did Jesus answer a question with a question?

    Truelogic, I respect your intellect, but you must know it is not you mind I want to engage as much as it is you heart. I do realize this is a ‘both, and’ proposition as I will never get to your heart without dealing with your intellect. I promise to do my best in this regard should you desire to continue.

  33. I see how you could make such a judgement but you seem to have not looked at alternative reasons for my comments and blogs. Fact is, your religion is a lie and lies hurt others. Fact is that throughout history religion has killed, molested children, raped, tortured, lied and done more harm than any war. So you see, I have no reason to elevate myself over anyone else. I speak out with “hateful” words just as someone would speak out with the same type of words towards someone like hitler. In fact, Hitler was a christian and claimed his nation was a christian nation.

    So you see, I expected such judgement from you because you are a typical Christian.

    Additionally, did you happen to notice you didn’t provide your proof of your God but instead gave another excuse for why you can’t prove your God is remotely true. Because “experts” have demonstrated how Jesus attempted to flush out manipulation? Wow!

    Notice, the FACT is that I stated you would NOT prove your God is any more real than any other God. FACT, you didn’t.

    If you read in second kings I believe you will notice that your apparent God had a test to prove if a god is real or not. try that test on your God. I promise you that your God will fail the same test.

    You see, what Christians do is make claim after claim after claim without ever proving any of them. These lies have caused the suffering of millions.

    Do you realize that I happen to be just like you. I would say the same things as you with regard to God. I was taught to believe in your God and I learned that everything that people claimed about your God and all the other God’s was not remotely true.

    Do you realize that there are others that believe in other God’s just as much as you believe in your God. People that believe in their God even more than you believe in yours. I know, you think they are wrong and that you must be right. Yet you, like ALL the others, NEVER backup your claim with a single fact to prove your God is anymore real than any other God. This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is fact I am speaking of.

  34. You know, I am not asking for anything that anyone else wouldn’t ask for about anything else in life. If one is going to make an extraordinary claim they should be able to back it up with facts that prove what they say is true. Not a single christian has ever provided facts to backup their claim of their God being the one and only true God. Christians don’t think they have to provide facts to backup their claims yet those christians that don’t believe in evolution expect and demand facts, evidence to backup sciences claims of evolution. Science provides volumes and volumes of evidence to backup their claims and Christians still deny the facts. If only Christians or the Church would attempt to actually prove their God is real or any of the other God’s are false. Like I keep saying for a FACT, you and no one else will prove their God is real or any more real or any less false than any other God. You continue to prove me correct. Should we tear down rivals that have caused such suffering in the world. Did we tear down those rivals in world war two? Was it wrong to do so? In my opinion, it is the only moral thing to do and has nothing to do with a person feeling insecure. maybe the need to believe in a all mighty being that loves you so very, very much that he gave his only son to save you from what he decided would happen from the beginning and not put you in a pit of fire for an eternity of torture is a sign of someone feeling a bit insecure? Unfortunately for you, you don’t have an option to not believe. You don’t have that free will. Because something very terrible is promised to you by your loving father if you do not do as he has stated and believe. A person that is insecure is a person that is likely afraid and uncertain and more likely to believe in one of the many Gods. Because they are afraid they might burn in hell or uncertain about what happens when they die. But who am I, you seem to be the expert on why someone is insecure.

    I do hope you overcome the lies that you live and can find the mental capacity to rise above the lies and judgement.

    Peace

  35. Love God and Love your neighbor. These are the central precepts of Christianity as stated by Jesus himself. Love, in the Christian worldview, means; “To will the good of the other, and then do something about it.” This is why we feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, visit the imprisoned, etc. Think Mother Theresa, NOT Hitler.

    You say religion has done horrendous things to which I would reply; it is not the Christian Religion that has done one thing wrong…ever. How could it based on its central precepts? It is people who manipulate Religion that perpetrate great crimes. And, yes, I agree, this has happened. But for you to tear down Religion is also a manipulation. If you would like to stand up against evil (Hitler) that is fine. In fact, you and I will stand together.

    I was asked why I give money to the Catholic Church to defend child molesting Priests. My answer is simple; I do not give money to defend the Priest, I give money in hopes of providing justice to the victim’s. I hope, with all my heart, that the Catholic Church can root out this evil, but I am a realist and understand that all humans are disposed to sin and we will never root it out completely. This is why I do not hate the Boy Scouts or school teachers. A mature person realizes there are scout leaders and teachers that perpetrate the same crimes but that does not make the institutions bad. By the way, I also love the NFL and there are sinners there just like everywhere else.

    The only way I can provide you with the proof you desire is if we can get to a level playing field. Can you please clearly state you belief system for me? When the level playing field is laid bare we can then enter into an honest dialog, that is, one without manipulation. If this is not understandable then I guess I will need to move on. I hope I do not have to move on.

  36. By the way, if you are sincere in wanting proof, as you state you are, then I assume you will have no problem stating your belief system. You are in control. If you are unsure why it is so necessary to be on the same playing field please let me know and I will do my best to explain.

  37. Some will not be saved for the doers of the law are justified and not the mere hearers. If truelogic repents from his sins God shall save him from the coming wrath and destruction. But you should tome to God with love

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