We wouldn’t have evil if the Christian God hadn’t created it.
“I (God) create evil” Isa. 45:7
OR wicked people that murder -
“The lord has made…the wicked for the day of evil” Prov. 16:4
We wouldn’t have evil things happen if God just stopped doing those horrible things.
“…shall there be evil in a city and the lord has not done it? Amos 3:6.
Why must we receive such evil as the death of children at the hands of God?
“What? Shall we receive good at the hand of God and shall we not receive evil” Job 2:10
According to God’s holy book, he created the killer, the child rapist and all evil doers.
“has not the potter (god) the right…to make…one vessel for dishonor?” Rom 9:19 -
The sad thing is that this “moral” god planned EVERYTHING according to his word before the beginning of time. EVERYTHING is according to the will of God.
Now we have more reason to not worship such an evil creation of the Christian mind. It was God that is to blame for the deaths of our little ones and no one else. God clearly states he is the cause and you still want to call him moral?
The fact of the matter is that the Christian form of a God nor any other form of the other many Gods are not real and they had nothing to do with the killing of children.
So stop telling us that it happened because we took God out of school. There have been numerous killings and murders done in religious institutions all around the world, including christian establishments. Christianity has a history of immoral acts, especially against little children.
Time to end the religious nonsense and start dealing with matters in the world of reality.
Posted by truelogic on December 20, 2012 at 6:54 pm
I am not going to play your foolish games.
If you do not want to answer my questions about religion and yet want me to answer yours, then I will not approve your posts.
Yet all is of God. What don’t you understand about the word All. What don’t you understand when your bible says EVERYTHING is of God and according to his will? that includes evil. you take all the scriptures that clearly say god does, created and causes evil and then attempt to claim it isn’t true by posting scriptures that do not say God Does Not Do evil.
Then to say i am reading the wrong bible? what the fuck? you can’t prove your God is real and you certainly can’t prove your God has anything to do with a bible and you can’t prove that one bible is more right than another.
I am going to start denying all your nonsense because I have gone through this with many religious nuts.
FACT you can not prove your God is real. FACT, FACT, FACT. You may not like it but it is fact.
I and anyone else that wants to use scripture to prove something isn’t wrong, has every right and if we do not believe in your God that does not mean can’t demonstrate with scripture that he is nothing more than the nonsense we see in other holy books.
FACT is you actually don’t believe in God because you can’t prove he is real. Guess what, that statement is no more ridiculous than your statements.
FACT, you can NOT prove your God is another other than another superstition. That is a FACT.
Once you prove your God is real, I’ll allow your post.
Posted by paul on January 1, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Where was your God when all this was/is going on?? That is the most asked question..The most given answer is “HE (GOD) was on HIS throne..The same place HE was when this Jesus was crucified.. HE has given us freewill.. How we choose to use it is our choice.. If we choose to live in fancy houses,buy fancy clothes/cars that is our choice..If we choose to love the poor and help feed them,, that is our choice also..we ask “why didnt this God feed them”? The answer might be “because I gave the world to you to take care of.. How you choose to do that is your choice..
Posted by truelogic on January 1, 2013 at 12:30 pm
sorry,i don’t have a god and there for he/she/it was no where. the Christian God, according to “his word” clearly states he planned everything…”every matter and every event” and that “everything” is of him. Just as this God drowned all life on earth, including children, he arranged for the slaughter of little children with guns. at least, that is what his “word” tells us.
Like every other Christian, you can’t demonstrate your God is remotely true, let alone prove he can do anything you claim or did anything you claim or does anything you claim for any of your claimed reasons.
Free Will? Not according to your God. He he repeatedly gives examples of how it is him that determines everything and that everything is according to his will, there is no room for free will.
Jesus told the disciples that they would deny him. they thought they had free will and said they would never do it. he told them again because being the son of god he thought they would believe him. They again stated that they would never deny their Jesus. Jesus, knowing that they didn’t have free will tried to tell them and give them the lesson but they ignored it and said they had free will and wouldn’t deny him. What happened? they denied him,,,EXACTY as Jesus apparently told them. “yet all is of God” and “God operates all in all” and everything is according to God’s will…so says this little holy book. “every mater and every event”. but you can be like the disciple that didn’t believe jesus or learn the lesson and believe whatever you want.
believe in your little invisible buddy in the sky. it matters not in the end.
Posted by Maimbolwa Muliwana (@mmuliwana) on January 2, 2013 at 1:51 am
You posted to say “The Hand Of God Doeth Evil Towards Little Children”. This is an evil accusation by an evil person. You say God is not real and then you say His hand does evil. How can a God that is not real cause evil????????? From this post it clear that you believe that God exists becasue His hand does evil.
Posted by Maimbolwa Muliwana (@mmuliwana) on January 2, 2013 at 1:52 am
Truelogic, which God are you referring to here? is it the God you are saying He is not real? How can a God who is not real cause the evil you are talking about “We wouldn’t have evil if the Christian God hadn’t created it”
If God is not real then why talk about Him causing evil in this world. Truelogic it is a fact that you believe that God exists otherwise you wouldnt have said that there is evil in this world because of God. One point I have trully established is that you believe there is God. Prove that you dont believe that there is God while at the same time you attribute the evil in this world to God. You have failed to find the cause of evil in this world except by attributing it to God.
Here are your misquotations:
“I (God) create evil” Isa. 45:7
OR wicked people that murder -
“The lord has made…the wicked for the day of evil” Prov. 16:4
Posted by Maimbolwa Muliwana (@mmuliwana) on January 2, 2013 at 1:52 am
Truelogic, you have said “notice how he and every christian IGNORE “yet all is of God” and “god operates all in all”. Operate means to “control the function”. he ignores the scriptures that say clearly that god predetermined all things according to HIS will”
Now my question is:
1. How can a God that does not exist operate all in all?????
2. How can a God who does not exist control the function?????
3. Which scripture says that God predetermined all things?
There is not scripture that says that God predetermined evil. God predetermined the way of life and the way of death, so that if you obey you walk in the way of life and if you disobey you walk in the way death which are walking in right now. it is everyone’s choice to walk in which way thru their own choices of the ways by their own choices of doing either good or evil. Truelogic, which God predetermined all things??? Have you have seen Him or what?
If God is not real, do you agree with me that you are responsible over your own evils?? If God is not real, do you agree with me that all the evil you see around is caused by people who chose to do that?
Posted by Maimbolwa Muliwana (@mmuliwana) on January 2, 2013 at 1:53 am
Truelogic, you said “Jesus is no better than my magic dog. he is not more real. My magic dog is no more real than his little jesus”
Truelogic, your scientists whom you believe in have provided proof of things that existed more than 3000yrs ago. Jesus Christ was born only recently, some 2000yrs ago, among the Jewish people. His tomb and some places He went to are still there. Jesus is very very real my dear. He came and lived among the Jewish people. All tribes worldwide know this FACT that Jesus was and is real. I would call any person a fool that will say Truelogic was not real 2000yrs down the line. You want us to believe your missionaries you sent to Africa that they existed and yet you refuse existence of Jesus Christ who really existed for real here on earth only some 2000yrs ago. Suppose I tell you that David Livingstone has never existed just like Vascoda Gama never existed what would you tell me? Just like some distort facts like some say David Livingstone discovered the Victoria Falls when there were already people living there does not mean that David Livingstone did not exist. See! David Livingstone never discovered the Victoria Falls. In fact, it’s my people that took him there. Does that mean that he never existed because there is this lie that he discovered the Victoria Falls???? You cannot come here and say you discovered this and that after finding people who show you what you claim to have discovered. I want you to reason also from this angle and not only from your angle. May dear, Jesus Christ is very very real and He lived here on earth among the Jews. You can prove that. You can trace that yourself. Just say that you still need proof about the existence of the Father of Jesus Christ. Am sure even Dave agrees with me that Jesus Christ lived here on earth. Truelogic, who are the people that wrote the Bible? I will not be surprised if you say that they never existed. But my question would be, did the Bible write itself? The Old Testament scriptures were written before Jesus came here on earth. Moses was involved in the writing of some of the books. Nobody unless a fool can dispute the FACT that Moses existed. Jesus only came recently. That is why there is very substantial evidence that Jesus Christ lived.
Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
You can actually follow the genealogy of Jesus Christ, to the time that He lived. For the Muslim, their prophet Muhammad lived and came after Jesus Christ. He is the one that wrote their Quran some of which is copied from the Bible. Just because am not a Muslim should not make me believe that Muhammed never existed. He existed. That is the truth!
Posted by Maimbolwa Muliwana (@mmuliwana) on January 2, 2013 at 1:55 am
Dave, you said “You may wish to visit and peruse… http://www.evilbible.com/….return here afterwards and see if you’d care to debate any information contained therein”
I have read the contradictions in fact they are more than 150. I am ready to debate and teach you out of that for real. I have read other lists which are more than 200 written by some and I am ready to teach you for sure and you will be shocked what you will learn. One of the issues is whether God is one or a trinity. There is nowhere where God is said to be a trinity. The other is where God told the children of Israel to remember the Sabbath and you say the letter of Paul contradicts that. The Ten Commandments stand for sure. Jesus Christ said, He never came to abolish the law or the prophets. Dave I made a detailed compilation which I will post on my site some from Atheists like you and some from Muslims. This will help people come to the knowledge of truth. Thanks for the site you have given me and I will post it on my site with other attacks from other people. I like facing issues squarely.
Dave, kindly tell me the meaning of 1 John 1:1 in your own words. Truelogic failed to tell me the meaning despite asking him several times. I would like to prove something from that which you will use to read that list of contradictions. Some are real contradictions while some are due to lack of understanding or misinterpretation or translation errors. Dave, do you know how the bible was being preserved in the olden days when there was no this current electronic means of storage of information? The scrolls would start fading and some scribes were given this work to copy or rewrite and this was done over thousands of years. What do you think would happen from that???? The point is that the original un-perverted scriptures were truly inspired by God and had no contradictions whatsoever. A progressive and positive mindset upon noticing any deviations from the original will start tracing backwards or researching and comparing things to get the truth as it was inspired. So you see!!!!!
Posted by Maimbolwa Muliwana (@mmuliwana) on January 2, 2013 at 1:56 am
djnlsn; Dave, you have said “There’s a rule in the scientific community stating should even the smallest aspect of any theory be determined incorrect, the entire theory itself must be thrown out. The Bible, as a supposed book of divine revelation written by God, is chock-full of holes and contradictions. Either God is a fallible prankster or the book was written by men who couldn’t keep their stories straight”
My response is: Who said we should all follow such man-made rules and that we should be bound by them just because they came from some country????? If that rule came from me you would not for sure respect it or keep it. That is TRUTH and a FACT!
Dave, Dave, Dave learn to analyse these man-made rules coz they are not always correct or they will lead you into some disaster or some calamity which Truelogic calls evil. Some rules are true only for some instances and in other instances do not apply. Someone said if you want to destroy a fool give him a rule and he will apply it without reasoning. We should apply all rules with reasoning. Suppose I gave you a rule that you should always drive along a road at 160km/hr without stopping and that you should always use that road to go to a particular place no matter what, and then I put some obstruction on that road. If I want to destroy you I will send you to that particular destination alone. Since you are good at keeping rules without analysing them and without reasoning, am very sure of a big crush since you will ensure that you drive at exactly 160km/hr without stopping on the same road.
Now that rule aside because I analyse rules. The bible when it was originally written was perfect without contradictions. The fact that men introduced some contradictions which we can easily trace and remove does not mean we should throw away everything and also reject the true God. Suppose I wrote a long letter to you containing some vital information for you and someone intercepts it on the way and perverts it, won’t you still be interested to research or find out from me what was in the letter? Will that mean that I didn’t write the letter?
Again, suppose someone from your family committed murder, does it mean your whole family are murderers including yourself Dave? See that rule is confined to something else.
God preserved His truth in a certain way and He knew that men would try to pervert the scriptures that is why a warning was given that there will be punishment for those that add or subtract from the original scriptures intentionally. Some contradictions are due to mistranslations, misinterpretations and also due to rewriting of fading scriptures. But the context of scriptures has remained the same thereby maintaining all the cardinal truths, commandments and laws.
Posted by Maimbolwa Muliwana (@mmuliwana) on January 2, 2013 at 1:57 am
Truelogic you misinterpreted the meaning of ““god operates all in all”.
There are spiritual gifts like gift of healing, teaching, prophecy, evanglist, pastor, etc and through these gifts it is God that is operating all in all. God also influences in doing good. It is God influencing all in all. For evil, the bible says that Satan is operating all in all in the children of disobedience. This is truth!!!!
Posted by Maimbolwa Muliwana (@mmuliwana) on January 2, 2013 at 4:10 am
Paul this is great post indeed. Atleast I have a colleague here. These two guys have been debating against me. Paul what next should we teach them????
Paul what do you think Truelogic would be like when he gets converted to the true God??? I think he will be like the Apostle Paul in the bible and he will do great work for our God. Dave also will work hard an get converted thousands to the true God. Paul dont stress for now as there is time for everything. For now we should seek God in truth over the salvation of these two guys and we should pray that God should forgive them of all the sins, blaspheme and the like.