Broad Is The Path That Leads To Destruction – But All Will Be Saved

“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in there at” (Matt. 7:13).

How often do we hear Christians attempt to tell those that don’t believe that we are the ones going down the path of destruction and then claim that this means we will be eternally punished/tortured by the God of love and morals they claim to follow?  Yeah, pretty common, isn’t it?

What I find most interesting is that they seem to get joy out of telling others they will be tortured forever, aren’t they so special?

What they want to ignore and do ignore is that this God of theirs stated that he came to save even for the many that went the way to destruction.

“For the Son of man is come to SAVE that which was LOST” (Matt. 18:11)!

Yeah, I know you are saying, where does that say the Son of man is come to save that which was lost?  Of course the typical Christian wants to stick to the script and claim billions of us will be destroyed…you know…torture by fire for eternity.

It just so happens that the New Testament was written in Greek it states “save that which was apollumi.”  Flipping through our Strong’s Greek Dictionary of the New Testament we find that the word means “to destroy, to perish or lose.”  Yeah, you guessed it, Christian will want to claim it means destroyed….period.  Think about this: 92 times in the New Testament we can read of “destroy, destroyed, destruction, perish, perishing, perished/lose and lost and they are ALL translated from the same word.  Ninety-nine percent of Christians don’t know this and don’t want to now it…they want to believe billions will be tortured for eternity by a God of love, mercy, compassion and forgiveness.  No matter how ignorant such a statement would be.

Whether one is destroyed, perished, or lost doesn’t matter to Jesus…because that alone shows he saves them all.

Yeah, Christians can’t accept that because they need to believe what they were taught to believe.  They love that stuff and the idea that they are somehow going to triumph over the horrible, evil people like me.  The people that actually do more to help others than most of them ever imagined doing.  The people that don’t live a life of hypocrisy.   They think a Father will torture his children for the simple act of not believing.  I feel sorry for their own kids, if they think such behavior is acceptable and moral.

What does the Old Testament state?

“O Israel, you have destroyed yourself; but in Me is your help… I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death…” (Hosea 13:7 & 14)!

Holy Shit, it seems Truelogic got us again.

“The righteous PERISH, and no man lays it to heart…” (Isa. 57:1)

What about that lost Israel?

God says, (don’t blame me for what your God apparently stated)

“I will seek that which was LOST, and bring again that which was driven away…” (Ezek. 34:16).

Those that believe in this God are just as much the man of sin/son of perdition but most of them will not admit it and can’t admit it.

If I were a Christian and being sold this shit that Christianity sells then I would be asking some critical questions to understand the truth.  But then again, that is why I am not longer a Christian, I asked those questions.  When one learns to think critically, they discover the endless number of lies claimed by those that believe.

Christians love to claim how prophecy always comes true, which we can prove is a lie and in the terms the bible provides, ridiculous.  However, what about this prophecy in Rom 14:11:

“For it is written, as I live, saith the lord every knee shall bow to me and every tongue shall confess God”

Did I just read that correctly?  Every knee (that includes everyone..doesn’t it?) SHALL bow and EVERY tongue SHALL confess.  What don’t you understand about the word EVERY and SHALL.

Pretty fucking obvious that this says everyone will confess and what happens when you confess?  You are saved.

Yeah, the Christian still doesn’t give a shit, they want us to burn and be tortured so they will stick to the story.  They don’t care of evidence that demonstrates they are clearly wrong.

It seems to be so important to this God of theirs that he repeats it a few times.  Check out this one:

“look unto me, and be ye SAVED, ALL the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.  I have worn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and SHALL NOT return, that unto me EVERY knee SHALL bow, EVERY tongue SHALL SWEAR!

Can I get an Amen?

Did anyone notice that it stated anywhere in scripture that it would be too late to be saved?  I didn’t.  In fact, according to the above, EVERY one will be saved.

What is the result of anything that God states?  Lets check the mythical book of the Christian God (Bible).

“…I have spoken it, I WILL bring it to pass; I have PROPOSED it, I WILL also do it”

Holy Jesus, Mother Mary, Father God….Truelogic has a point!

I believer this Book tells us this as well:

“My counsel shall stand, and I WILL do ALL my pleasure”.

This might surprise Christians but it seems this God is pretty confident that he is going to do what he said and anything he wants, even if it doesn’t make sense to them or even if they were praying for a giant barbecue of human flesh.  Clearly, it isn’t going to happen like they claim.

Their lies never end, do they?

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, Who WILL have ALL men to be SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (I Tim. 2:4)!

I’m sorry to tell you this Christians but God seems to be telling a different story.  You might want to give him a ring on the red phone.  That bastard is going off script.

Did you notice the above scripture didn’t say “our Saviour, who will NOT have all men to be saved”.  It didn’t say only 2 percent (very few) will be saved.  It stated ALL  Pretty fucking clear, if you ask me.

Guess what?  It isn’t clear to a Christian.  Just like it isn’t clear to them that their God is no more real than any other God and the fact they have no evidence to demonstrate he is, is evidence to show he is not likely.

The next scripture is rather profound and far above the intellect of the standard Christian but I’ll post it anyway.

“For He is our Peace, Who makes both one, and razes the central wall of the barrier, nullifying the law of precepts in decrees, that He should be creating the two, in Himself, into one new humanity, making peace; and should be reconciling both in one body to God, through the cross, killing the enmity in it” (Eph. 2:14-16).

Will one of your Christians make a call to the Big G-dog?  He has the power to change his word to match what you want it to say.  Tell him to get with it, will you?

That Scripture above is telling us that ALL (“both one” and “creating the two” means Jews and Gentiles…that is everyone).  Reconciling both in ONE body to God…killing the enmity in it….Christians have lots of enmity.

You guessed it, Christians still will not accept the words of their God.  But if you know most Christians, they don’t actually give a shit about what God’s word states.  They don’t actually follow this Jesus or do as he would do….that is easy enough to prove.

Lets try another one, shall we?

“Who is the Image of the invisible God, Firstborn of every creature, for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him, and He is before all, and all has it cohesion in Him. And He is the Head of the body, the ecclesia, Who is Sovereign, Firstborn from among the dead, that in all He may be becoming first, for in Him the entire complement delights to dwell, and through Him to reconcile all to Him making peace through the blood of His cross, through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens” (Col. 1:14-20).

God damn, did you catch that one?  Why in the hell does Jesus or God or the Holy Spirit put that shit in the bible.  Doesn’t he know it contradicts what Christians tell EVERYONE?

Those Christians can’t even get a break from their own God.

Did you  notice in that scripture that EVERY creature, makes both one, creating the two, in the heaven, on the earth, the visible, the invisible, in all, all is created, before all, all, the entire, to reconcile all, on the earth, in the heavens…..

What is God trying to do to this Christian lie?  Where are the billions and billions that are going to be going to hell fire to be tortured forever and ever and ever by a Father of love, peace, mercy and compassion?

“I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me” (John 12:32).

Do you Christians think Jesus will fail to do what he said he would do?

“I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL  men unto me” (John 12:32).

Do you Christians think he will not do it?  Do you think he means NOT ALL?

“To wit that God was in Christ, reconciling THE WORLD unto Himself, NOT imputing THEIR TRESPASSES AGAINST THEM” (II Cor. 5:19)

It’s pretty obvious, isn’t it?  How clear does your God need to make it before you believe what he states?  Guess what?  You will not believe it, even if it is this clear.  You are brainwashed to believe that billions will be torture with tender hands of love and compassion through fire with gnashing of teeth.  Yeah, that makes sense…to a Christian.

I didn’t notice where it stated some of the world.  The world means the whole world.  It’s pretty clear.  However, if you don’t believe me, lets look at God’s word.

“And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our’s only, but also for THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD” (I John 2:2).

Yeah, I am sure you still can’t accept it.  No matter what I show you, your Christian just got to have your little dream of billions of people, including children, being tortured by their loving Father.

“This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God Who is the Saviour of ALL MEN specially of those that believe” (I Tim. 4:10).

Notice that the word “specially” is used here.  That does NOT imply or mean or should it ever be interpreted to mean “exclusively” those that believe.  But what to Christians want us to believe?  That is right, they are part of this group that is special and only they will be saved from this claimed hell fire, torture.

Sorry Christians but you don’t appear to be so special to this God.  You are in fact, much like the rest of us.  Except for a for problems with morality and an apparent lower level of intelligence.  Don’t take it as an insult.  You might think if a grown man believed in the tooth fairy isn’t too intelligent.  I just happen to think those that believe in a God they can’t prove is any more real than any other God and the multitude of fantastic stories they tell about this God are just not near the top of the intelligence ladder.

Maybe one day you will evolve or maybe your children.

36 responses to this post.

  1. What is said here is correct. God will, one day, save ALL. ALL are not saved at the same time or in the same way. Some will escape the second death but most will not. There is a place in the Bible that tells about the abolition of death which means that someday all will be make alive.
    I wish the author of this page would clean up the language, watch his spelling, and not use God’s name in vain. But to the people he is addressing I suppose he wanted to use their language. It you want to talk more, any out there, write to me.
    Bob Todd
    San Jacinto, CA
    There is a lot more to this than meets the eys. Maybe God will prevernt your from understanding as John 3:27 limits many people from what the Bible, correctly translated, teaches.

  2. i understand you wish the author of this page would clean up his language, watch his spelling and not use God’s name in vain. I plan to use language as it was invented to be used freely in a free country. i wish i did better on my spelling but i think you got the point. i can’t take god’s name in vain if there is no God. I can’t take the name of the tooth fairy in vain either. But if you have a single shred of evidence that demonstrates either of them are true or that your God is more real than any other God…i will listen.

    You can assume i wanted to use the language of the readers but that would be wrong. I use the language that I use. I don’t use it for anyone but myself. I can assume you hear my language as others expect you to hear it but then again, that would only be assuming. Maybe you just hear/read/think of my language in a way you don’t like. I used the language as I intended…i would guess.

    what is stated here on this blog is an attempt to be honest and truthful with a little sarcasm and fun. what i state about the bible is of course true in most respects. especially as I have laid out concerning how all are saved. but the fact is there is not god as defined by man and the christian god is not more real than Horus or krishna….unless you can provide the evidence to show it is. millions of others believe in their god for many of the same reasons you believe in yours. NONE of them can produce evidence to demonstrate any of it is true.

    there are many versions and translations to the bible and no one version has it correctly. King james is full of errors but in many other areas it is better than all the others. but that just brings up another issue. it is man interepreting it and men attempting to make claims but none of them are backed up or shown to be facts of the word of God if you can’t produce your God. it is only opinion.

  3. I happened to stumble across here while looking for one of the verses you referenced,that is, the one about “wide is the gate…”

    Anyhow, I’m a Christian. I believe Jesus Christ died for our sins, and that by placing one’s faith in Him our sins are forgiven and we are saved.

    Let me clear this up: Jesus did die for every single person’s sins. He did come to save all of humanity.

    But each of us has a *choice* to accept His sacrifice and to place our faith in Him. Hence, the “narrow path.” Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes to the Father except through me.” This is what is meant by the “narrow path.” The wide path to destruction, under the melodramatic imagery, is simply believing whatever the hell you want to and thinking that is sufficient. Any religion will do, for example.

    So, yes, Jesus did come to save us *all.* But, not all of us will accept His sacrifice. That is the “wide” path of unbelief. The “narrow path” is understanding that there is only one way to salvation, which is the “narrow path” of faith in Jesus.

    Now, many people will call this narrow minded, but really *any* standard can be called narrow minded because it introduces an unequivocal objective truth. What people really lament is the accountability inherent in *choosing* the “narrow path.” That is, I will follow Christ by thinking and behaving in accordance with the moral directives laid out by Him. Which are all summed up in the concept of loving God and loving your fellow man as yourself.

    True Christians hate no one. But the thing to remember is that no one can choose for you. No one can believe for you. And a person who doesn’t want any moral accountability is going to be hella pissed to hear that they are accountable for their sins. This is humbling to admit. But, if you have the courage to do this it is also liberating because you can then accept God’s forgiveness which wipes away all your sins.

    So, true Christianity is truly liberating. Not oppressive. But it will seem oppressive to moral relativists who wish to do as they please and deny any eternal accountability for their lives.

    Just some thoughts.


  4. I don’t mind if you believe Jesus will fail to save all men and as such you disagree with the word of God. That is your choice. It is sad that yet another Christian doesn’t understand his God’s “word”. Let me give you a quick lesson:

    You stated: “each of us have a *choice* to accept his sacrifice and to place our faith in Him”.

    Me correcting you: You do not chose Him/God, he chooses YOU: “you have not chosen me, but I have chosen you…” John 15:16. You can’t seek him, you can go to him of your free will, You don’t decide to have faith in him. You can’t do anything of that…according to scripture. Let me provide more scriptural references that maybe your mommy can help you read.

    “For unto you IT IS GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE on Him, but also to suffer for his sake” (Phil. 1:29).
    Did you notice that believing in him has nothing to do with anything you decided to do? Why? Let me help you again:

    “…being predestinated according to the purpose of Him Who works ALL THINGS after the counsel of His OWN WILL” (Eph. 1:11).
    This means that you didn’t decide shit, even though you believe you have some awesome knowledge of Scripture. Clearly you don’t know shit either. Let me continue to educate you on God’s “word”.

    “There is NONE that seeks after God” (Rom. 3:11b). I am sorry, but you can’t even seek him, like I stated above. But you are welcome to continue to call your God a liar.

    “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that ( ‘FAITH’ ) is NOT OF YOURSELVES; it is the GIFT OF GOD” (Eph. 2:8).
    Did you catch that Paul? that faith you stated that we “place” in God isn’t something you can place in God of your own choice, God has to GIVE it to you.

    Are you starting to get the picture? Let me continue to educate you Paul.
    “…and what have you that you did not RECEIVE….?” (I Cor. 4:7).

    Seems like we have another witness to you receiving faith and or anything else you think you have from your own work/desires. Even cancer is received from God and when a child is molested, it is of God. “yet all is of God” and “God operates all in all”.

    “NO MAN CAN COME TO ME except the Father which has sent me DRAW HIM [Greek: DRAG HIM] and I WILL raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44).
    Did you catch that Paul? Again, it has nothing to do with you or a decision that anyone makes. You really should read the Bible before you attempt to tell others what is or is not true. Clearly you don’t know his word and yet you claim he is real and he “did” die for you?

    “I am the Vine, ye are the branches: He that abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit, for without ME YE CAN DO NOTHING” (John 15:5).
    Is that not clear enough for you Paul?
    In fact, you can’t even repent of your own free will. God has to make that happen too. “….not knowing that the goodness of God Leads you to repentance.” Rom. 2:4. what is the cause of repentance Paul? It is God leading and not man’s free will choice. You make NO choice.

    “…no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit” (I Cor. 12). did you catch that paul? You didn’t say Jesus is lord, you were not saved and you did’t accept Jesus by your own free will. the Holy Spirit MADE you do it. Just like a little robot that makes no decisions on their own. It was predestinated…remember that scripture?

    Now, let me address your mistake regarding “narrow is the path”. First notice that the “wide path that leads to destruction” doesn’t mean the wide path that leads to torture in eternal hell. Destruction is in reference to purifying through fire, the all consuming fire of God. Man, you really need to study Scriptures before you come here and attempt to pass yourself off a knowledgable of God.

    Think about this Paul. There were LARGE crowds of people that listened to Jesus speak and many more that hadn’t had a chance to hear him in those days of Christ and before. They died in their sins, never understanding what it is to be converted, healed and saved. They NEVER have eaten of Christ’s spiritual body and thus that is one of the main reasons why “…for WIDE is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction and many there be which go in there at”.

    However, what is important here is that the path leads to destruction, not eternal torture by fire….um of course with the “love, mercy, compassion” of God. Give me a break. what does torture by fire have to do with love, mercy and compassion?

    Paul stated: “but not all of us will accept his sacrifice”.

    Let me help you again: Yes, everyone will accept and God provides us many places in scripture that demonstrates this as well. You are just so sure of your knowledge of God that you can’t see the truth. Or maybe you just can’t read and don’t give a shit about learning what Scripture actually states. Clearly, very clearly!

    “And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Phil. 2:11).

    “Look unto me, and be ye SAVED, ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH; for I am GOD, AND THERE IS NONE ELSE. I HAVE WORN BY MYSELF, THE WORD IS GONE OUT OF MY MOUTH IN RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND SHALL NOT RETURN, THAT UNTO ME EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, EVERY TONGUE SHALL SWEAR”!!! What don’t you understand about the words “shall NOT”. this is were Paul of scriptures got the quotation in Phil. 2:11.

    Did you know that same scripture is in another place within the Bible? Look it up and educate yourself.

    Now, I can say that you are not a true Christian and you do not do as Jesus did or as he instructed. You might think you do or you might say you try but that doesn’t cut it. But you can pretend you are so good and special if you want. You are a sinner and ALL sin. You likely don’t even know what it means to be saved and likely don’t realize that you are NOT saved.

    Don’t worry, as I stated, God WILL have ALL men to be saved.

    “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, Who WILL have ALL men to be SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (I Tim. 2:4)!

    This is not rocket science and no one needs special abilities to understand scriptures. You just happened to listen to the wrong group of people and they told you what to believe and you bought the story. You haven’t come close to understanding the beauty of the words in the bible and how it all makes sense if you use proper translations and objective thinking.

    I feel sorry for people like you that are unable to think for themselves.

    “This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God Who is the Saviour of ALL MEN specially of those that believe” (I Tim. 4:10).

    Holy shit, it must have been important to your God that everyone know this because he states it more than once. he actually attempts to make it clear in several places but “christians” rather follow their own ways and not the doctrine of God. Notice in the above that it says “specially of those that believe”. specially does not mean exclusively.

    These aren’t just some thoughts, as you state. These are some scriptural facts and if you think I can’t continue with multiple scriptures to support what I’ve stated, then come back for another lesson.

  5. I’m sorry, I searched, but I found NO EVIDENCE WHATSOVER IN SCRIPTURE of ANYONE being found in heaven who didn’t repent on THIS SIDE of eternity. I believe the Book of Daniel is clear, EVERLASTING MEANS FOREVER.

    Dan 12:1-2

    12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people — everyone whose name is found written in the book — will be delivered.

    2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt

    I invite discussion on my forum, I INSIST on honesty.

  6. I’m sorry, I searched and everyone else has searches and found NO EVIDENCE whatsoever of ANYONE having shown that any of their claimed Gods are remotely true or any less false than any other God.

    Search scripture and you will also notice that you can not repent of your own free will. You can’t seek God or choose God of your free will. You don’t know what it is to be honest if you claim your God is real when the fact is that you have NO proof that your god is real or that any other God is false.

    I invite you to attempt to discuss the facts and I INSIST, DEMAND on complete honesty. When you can learn to be honest, then feel free to debate here on my blog. I prefer not to comment on blogs of those that make claims they can’t backup.

  7. Posted by Jeff on March 27, 2011 at 12:22 am

    ISIAIh 41 BRING forth your IDOLS did they PREACH to you see they can’t speak they can’t DO ANYTHING all they do is cause confuson. Jeremiah 10 they nil hier IDOL down like a scarecrow it can’t move cant speak can’t move must be caried these are nothing but the WORK of CON men. john 10 jesus christ sais his sheep hear his voice and another voice thy will not follow and if another person tries to preach to tem they WILL FLEE from him. jeremiah 5 the priests bear rule on thier own auhority what will you do whe your judged my word is not inside them. Now here is the kicker john 5 son of man voice goes back in time mathew 16 jesus christ claims to be th son of man. 1 cor2 mind of CHRIST preached internlly and john 16 sais the spirit of truth comes in the future. Ezekiel 13 lying prophets of ISRAEL my word is not inside them saying god sais god sais god sais wrote hoping mankind would CONFIRM thie WORDS. all of this is EASILY verifyable.

  8. can you explain the reason for your post and what you are attempting to state? lots of scripture but no explanation. anyone can provide scripture and claim it is verifiable but that presents no argument.

  9. Posted by Karl Brautigam on June 9, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Nice neat little package there…lies tied up in a pretty bow to make people think there is no reason to concern themselves with the judgement of God. Jesus spoke far more of Hell than he did of Heaven. Mainly to stress to us that we SHOULD worry ourselves. “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” Twist the scriptures any way you like…you will not change God’s way. I advise anyone reading this material to search the scriptures on their own and don’t just take someone else’s word for it. WHAT DOES GOD SAY?

  10. Christians need to twist scriptures in an attempt to make their god fit their image. scripture is clear and there is not need to take a christians word for it as I do lay it out nicely. just as it is stated in the book of revelation, chapter one, verse one….it is all symbolic and there is not actually place where actual bodies of humans will actually be tortured for an actual eternity. but that is the disgusting kind of god christians want to follow and fear and still call love, mercy and compassion. funny how NONE of that has anything to do with love, mercy or compassion but instead christian have it all about torture and pain and getting revenge. …. you know, the christian way. pathetic

  11. I am sorry Karl Brautigam, I didn’t give you a chance to prove your god was any more real or any less false than any other god and I just assumed your god was the christian god but maybe you follow a different god. while you’re proving your god, why not prove that all the other things are remotely true, you know, like that threat of hell, torture, heaven, demons, satan, angels…etc. Go ahead and put up your mountains of evidence that prove any of those things are real too. but be careful of the talking snake and the walking dead, they always get you when you least expect it. just check out the funny stories in the Christian bible which are not backed up but a shred of evidence karl brautigam.

  12. Posted by MEL DUERSON on September 7, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Intelligence is the evidence of things ALREADY seen. But now faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen. I guarantee you if you will stop looking at things that are seen, and accept him at His Word (FAITH) you will see the other side of things. It is impossible to please God without FAITH.

  13. let me give you a little fact that you seem to, for some odd reason, assume I hadn’t done. Fact, I had accepted Jesus Christ as lord and saviour many years ago and then learned that he was nothing more than a lie, just like all the other Gods.

    It is impossible to have faith unless it is given to you. You can’t have it on your own….read your bible…it is clearly stated.

  14. Dianetics is a modern religion, make no mistake. It may have a future as anyone personally associated with L. Ron will soon die off and mythology will gradually take over. His followers in the distant future might decide to edit out every and all current negative media critique/association and toss in a miracle or two he performed, just to spice things up….. as they constantly edit and rewrite his books. They’ll remain anonymous and not a one will admit to their subterfuge as they’re primarily concerned with the propagation of the myth as it pertains to their pocketbooks.

    The history of Christian Bible rewrites and omissions based upon present-day experience?

    ‘Jesus’ as the product of a magic mushroom cult, seems more viable. Not a word ever written about him during his lifetime by the most anal of historians…the Romans. A Jew miracle-worker (37 of ’em?) would have caught their iron-fisted attention immediately after only a few, but….nope….not a word. Nothing at all written about Jesus until 60 years after his ‘Resurrection?’ Imaginary guy? Drugs must have played a part here, somewhere.

    A fairy tale for fools.

  15. According to God it is impossible to have faith if he doesn’t give it to you. read your bible.

  16. Posted by david on November 8, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Wow….have you, or would you consider reading rob bells book titled “Love Wins” Also perhaps the claim of the Christian Universalist Church. I think it brings together the very issues that have turned away. true millions of Christians have struggled with the very issues you stated and don’t know where to turn for some light. Your scripture knowledge and use is admirable. I believe in an amazing God who loves us beyond our wildest dreams and will certainly win in the end where every soul is concerned. He will not lose evn one. My issues have never been with this amazing god, but have often been with his children who dont know what they are doing, leading to the very words of Jesus…Father forgive them, fior they dont know what they are doing…blessings to you

  17. thanks for the comment david. i do not believe my scriptural is anything significant as it is just a basic understanding of what is written and i don’t try to make it fit what others had told me must be true. logically, the christian ideas of hell fire and the second death are nonsense. scriptures are rather clear but many, millions of christians claim we will all actually be tortured for eternity. i am not aware of anything that can be done to burn a spirit (us after we die…so we are told). fire can not harm a ghost/spirit and therefore it is clearly not literal fire. i am not aware of a father that would raise a son to kill and then later claim to be moral and punish his child for what he was taught or made to do. that is nonsense.

    i have not read rob bells book but will look into it and see if it might interest me. i am more into reading science and technology related stories but do appreciate you providing that name of the book

  18. Posted by Nucc on January 3, 2012 at 6:19 am

    You live every moment by faith

  19. Posted by Nucc on January 3, 2012 at 6:30 am

    ,,,and for true logic…the spirit is NOT the one that dies it is the body and the body will be be resurrected and again joined to the spirit and those without Christ will BOTH suffer in hell FOREVER.

    Dan 12:1-2

    12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people — everyone whose name is found written in the book — will be delivered.

    2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt NIV

  20. easy to say but then again, it is easy to claim this god or that god is real. yet it is another thing to prove any of it. your belief or faith in your god is just nonsense. no more real than any other god.

  21. now explain how that says anyone will suffer in hell for ever. go ahead, explain the scriptures you quote. you might take a look at various translations and not just one and you might look at the word everlasting. let me see, everlasting (eonian) like and everlasting (eonian) contempt. do your research. also, look at this scripture and try to understand the bible in whole, not just the scriptures you want to be real. i realize you want god to torture billions of people with fire out of love but that is pretty idiotic, if you bother to think about it. look at this scripture: “Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they [his Jewish accusers] are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets having an expectation in God, which these themselves also are anticipating, that there shall be a resurrection which is impending for BOTH, the JUST and the UNJUST” (Acts 24:14-15). Unlike the single version of the scripture you provided, this scripture is a bit more clear…actually, perfectly clear. Paul says, “i am avowing, … am offering,…. i am believing all that is written….I am having an EXPECTATION in god….themselves also are ANTICIPATING ….resurrection …both the just and the unjust. POW!!!! yeah, i realize you wish to ignore the numerous scripture i provide to support my case and need to believe in your god of immoral torture by fire. educate yourself or i will need to scripturally slap your ass all around this blog.

  22. the resurrection of which Paul is speaking is founded in the “law and in the prophets.” It is the same resurrection of two classes of people of whom Daniel speaks. maybe you should run away like most religious idiots before i put you to shame.

  23. Good grief! Half the planet will be suffering in hell FOREVER?? I’m not a fan of the genre but I am coming to suspect there really are armies of walking, talking zombie-bots amongst us.

    I’ve never met a ‘god’ but I’ve certainly encountered the occasional ‘goddess’ over the years. I won’t be passing up the opportunity to become a ‘worshiper’…..should that occur again!

  24. apparently the few (which christians think amounts to several million) are the only ones going to rise again. They think billions and billions will burn forever…the many. in my mind, few doesn’t not equal millions of christians. few is something like 3 to 4. looks like there will be many christians joining us in this hell thing. notice how they can never prove there is a hell or a heaven but we are going to one of them. yet they can’t prove that either. seems like a lot of claims and nothing to back them up.

  25. If there really is a ‘hell’ it surely must be reserved for the Hitler’s and Stalin’s. Not your average noodnik who doesn’t quite glom onto the ‘Jesus Christ’ thing. These folks are thoroughly wacky.

    A contributor of yours actually mocked me for not being able to DISPROVE the “talking snake” tale. Ok….I can’t….so it MUST be true! I give!! Those pagan Hindus ( as a Xtian would perceive them ) have three gods…. Brahmā, Vishnu, and Shiva. Hmm……seems somewhat reminiscent of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost…. monkey-do!

    Xtians are generally uneducated as to the big-wide-world around them. True… need to bring out your ‘kinder/gentler’ self. You’re talking to kids here….much of the time.


  26. Posted by Kim on January 18, 2012 at 1:33 am

    WELL, if you are right and I (Christians) am wrong, than I’m no worse off than I was before. If we are right and you are wrong….sucks to be you! I prefer to have faith in the one true God, through Jesus Christ. I Cor. 2:9 “But as it is written, “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him.”

  27. Then you should believe in all the Gods but instead you picked the one you were told was true and the one you fear will torture you with his moral love in the end days. I rather live a life free of that fear and not have opportunity or potential destroyed. Especially in my children. I would rather teach my children that it is immoral and evil to burn your children with fire for eternity. even more absurd is that he is said to burn billions with fire for not believing in him. you can rape children and still go to heaven as long as you believe in your god. so chase your little myth, your little superstition and pretend you have a little invisible buddy that loves you. because you apparently need to feel someone loves you and will torture billions of others for not thinking like you. wow.

  28. Posted by Carrie on May 25, 2012 at 6:51 am

    It sounds more like an issue of anger on your part against God. You have put a lot of effort into this blog and I can feel your anger in every word. This is really sad and I will pray that you find peace because it is obvious you are searching for something or reaching out for an answer you want to hear.

  29. Wow, what logic you have. I guess that is why you believe in God. I can’t have anger for something that isn’t real. tell me how that is possible? Hint: it isn’t. I guess when you believe the stories of your God and his anger to those that will not believe or do as he states, i can understand why you need to project. If you need to worship a being that promises to torture billions with fire and you need to call that moral, well, something is clearly wrong with your “moral” compass.

    but hey, you have no objectivity on the matter. you are REQUIRED to believe, or else. I am sure i am not such a father that tells my son he better believe in me or i will burn him with fire. oh, yeah, that is only “moral” in the world of your imagination.

  30. Posted by precious makama on June 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    a carnal man can never understand the things of the spirit.dont be bias in ur thinking,the word of God cannnot be interpreted by logic,becareful.

  31. prove it and prove i am the carnal man/woman and you are not. oh yeah, you can’t. just like you can’t prove your god is any more real than any other god. be careful what you claim if you can’t back it up with facts. people may just think you are a liar.

  32. Posted by precious makama on June 19, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    u r carnal/natural nd bn controlled by d old nature which is what we inherited from Adam as a result of his disobedience,with this nature,d Bible in Gen 6:12 that man has corrupted his ways d4 can never discern d rightly divide d truthdont trust ur instinct.u must put to death ur old nature of sin by believing that Christ died to destroy d power of that nature on d Cross, only then can d Spirit of God come intou to lead u into all d truth of his Word.I want u to know that if God is not real then u r not real too but those of us that knows He is real,he is our CREATOR,He certainly has a manual for us to freely choose and accept and follow.every manufacturer of a product has a manual,unless u use d manual u cant use d product.

  33. Posted by KJ on June 20, 2012 at 3:35 am

    IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN and have come across this site, what are you to do? These sites are a dime a dozen, designed to waste your time in foolish nonsensical debate. To attempt to enter into any kind of discussion with the author will not only turn out to be a monumental waste of your time, but is also anti-Biblical. I suggest that instead, you open your Bible and study I Timothy and Titus where the Apostle Paul advises what you should do in similar situations translated into his day and times : i.e. “Avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law, for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject (literally… to “turn your back and walk away” ) a divisive man….” and further “in I Timothy ….He (the false teacher) is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions…” Etc. In other words, do not waste your time CHRISTIAN, but rather turn your back, walk away from here and do the work of the Gospel.

  34. which god do you claim is the real creator. maybe you can prove your version of god is real, more real than any other claimed god? no, you can’t and that is a fact. something religious types like to ignore.

  35. notice, like most christians that make claims, KJ can’t backup his/her claims. they go about telling others of their version of god while never providing a shred of evidence to demonstrate their God or any god is true or false.

    fact is, god has clearly stated (according to scripture) that ALL men will be saved. yet christians claim their god, whom is moral, forgiving, compassionate, loving, etc, will torture billions of his children with fire? what a crock. you see how ignorant such statements are? it is obvious, isn’t it.

    notice that christians are unable to demonstrate i am wrong so they just tell others to run away. why? because they know what i speak is the truth of what is written in scripture. i backup my claims. they don’t.

  36. Posted by Glenn on June 10, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    You demand people to give you proof of God existence, but I honestly don’t think there is anything that anyone can tell you that will convince you of His existence. You have already made up your mind that He does not exist. The things you say are so twisted and blasphemous. I think every Christian who comes across this ought to pray fervently for your soul because you are on dangerous ground.

    God will save you, but you have to believe and trust in Him first and live after the pattern that Jesus demonstrated to us. You have to have faith in His Word before you can be saved. But since you have already decided that you do not believe or will not have faith in His Word, why should anyone waist the time? There are plenty of other people who are open to the possibility that God is real and Eternal, that Jesus Christ is His only Son came left the heavenly throne as a baby born of a virgin, lived more than 30 years here, was beaten and sentenced to death under Pontius Pilate, was crucified and died, descended into Hell, was resurrected from the dead three days later, and 40 days later returned to Heaven where He currently waits for the Father’s signal to return for His True Church. In the mean time, Jesus is calling upon all to have faith in His Blood and sacrifice, so that we can be saved, and lead others to have share the same believe. It is all your choice; you will believe or not believe. We really do not have time to do what the Holy Spirit is perfectly capable of doing. The Holy Spirit will convince you, but you have to open your heard and let Him go in. All we are commanded to do is give the information, testify of what God and of what Jesus have both done in our lives, and ask the non-believer to give God a chance.

    I am praying for you, and I hope others who see your post will pray for you too.

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